Regular Session - April 1, 2019

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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                    April 1, 2019

11                      3:24 p.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR BRIAN A. BENJAMIN, Acting President

19  ALEJANDRA N. PAULINO, ESQ., Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3   Senate will come to order.

 4                I ask everyone present to please 

 5   rise and repeat with me the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6                (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7   the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   In the 

 9   absence of clergy, let us bow our heads in a 

10   moment of silent reflection or prayer.

11                (Whereupon, the assemblage respected 

12   a moment of silence.)

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

14   reading of the Journal.  

15                THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Sunday, 

16   March 31, 2019, the Senate met pursuant to 

17   adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday, March 30, 

18   2019, was read and approved.  On motion, Senate 

19   adjourned.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Without 

21   objection, the Journal stands approved as read.

22                Presentation of petitions.

23                Messages from the Assembly.

24                The Secretary will read.

25                THE SECRETARY:   On page 8, Senator 


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 1   Myrie moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

 2   Elections, Assembly Bill Number 112A and 

 3   substitute it for the identical Senate Bill 

 4   3145A, Third Reading Calendar 164.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 6   substitution is so ordered.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   On page 16, Senator 

 8   Montgomery moves to discharge, from the Committee 

 9   on Judiciary, Assembly Bill Number 5615 and 

10   substitute it for the identical Senate Bill 1688, 

11   Third Reading Calendar 302.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

13   substitution is so ordered.

14                THE SECRETARY:   On page 20, Senator 

15   Savino moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

16   Finance, Assembly Bill Number 558A and substitute 

17   it for the identical Senate Bill Number 2833, 

18   Third Reading Calendar 343.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

20   substitution is so ordered.

21                Messages from the Governor.

22                Reports of standing committees.

23                Reports of select committees.

24                Communications and reports from 

25   state officers.


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 1                Motions and resolutions.

 2                Senator Gianaris.

 3                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 4   first of all, let me just take a moment to thank 

 5   you for your good work at yesterday's session -- 

 6   I guess yesterday and earlier today's session, 

 7   and all my colleagues.  We appreciate the --

 8                (Applause.)

 9                SENATOR GIANARIS:   We appreciate 

10   everybody's understanding and getting the job 

11   done yesterday.  

12                Everyone will be happy to know the 

13   Comptroller has told us that we do in fact have a 

14   timely budget this year, so that's good.

15                For today's business, we are going 

16   to go into a Transportation Committee meeting 

17   imminently in order to confirm another MTA 

18   nominee.  So it will be Transportation, then 

19   Finance, then back on the floor to do that 

20   confirmation, after which we have our active list 

21   and a two-bill Rules agenda, and that will 

22   constitute the business of the day.  

23                And so without further ado, 

24   Mr. President, there will be an immediate meeting 

25   of the Transportation Committee in Room 332.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

 2   will be an immediate meeting of the 

 3   Transportation and Corporations Committee in 

 4   Room 332.

 5                Senator Gianaris.

 6                SENATOR GIANARIS:   The Senate will 

 7   stand at ease for a moment, please.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9   Senate will stand at ease.

10                (Whereupon, the Senate stood at ease 

11   at 3:27 p.m.)

12                (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened at 

13   3:29 p.m.)

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

15   Senate will come to order.

16                Senator Gianaris.

17                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

18   just to be clear, the meeting that's currently 

19   taking place is a joint committee meeting between 

20   the Transportation and Corporations Committees.  

21   So if members are in either of those committees, 

22   please proceed to Room 332.  

23                And while those committees are 

24   undertaking their business, we will take up the 

25   reading of the calendar.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   So 

 2   there will be an immediate joint meeting of the 

 3   Transportation and Corporations Committees in 

 4   Room 332.

 5                Senator Gianaris.

 6                SENATOR GIANARIS:   And for those 

 7   members that are at those committee meetings, 

 8   they can invoke Rule 9 to cast their votes on the 

 9   bills that will be on the floor while they're in 

10   the committee meeting.  

11                And can we now please take up the 

12   reading of the calendar.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

14   Secretary will read.  

15                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 66, 

16   Senate Print 783A, by Senator Breslin, an act to 

17   amend the Economic Development Law.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

19   the last section.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

21   act shall take effect immediately.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

23   the roll.

24                (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 


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 1   May to explain her vote.  

 2                SENATOR MAY:   Thank you, 

 3   Mr. President.

 4                Having worked for almost two decades 

 5   as a sustainability coordinator, I applaud 

 6   Senator Breslin on this forward-looking bill.  

 7                It says in the language that these 

 8   coordinators will look at all elements of a 

 9   municipality's current cultural, educational, 

10   environmental and infrastructural character, 

11   which means they'll be taking a holistic approach 

12   to planning and economic development.  

13                And this is the smartest way to do 

14   it, it's the most efficient, the most effective 

15   way to do it, the best way to steward public 

16   funds so that you're not solving a problem over 

17   here and causing another problem somewhere else 

18   in the system.

19                And it is the way we need to be 

20   doing planning in the future, and I'm very proud 

21   to vote aye on this bill.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

23   May to be recorded in the affirmative.

24                Announce the results.

25                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 


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 1   Calendar Number 66, those Senators recorded in 

 2   the negative are Senators Amedore, Antonacci, 

 3   Flanagan, Funke, Gallivan, Griffo, Helming, 

 4   Jordan, Ortt and Ritchie.  Also Senator Serino.

 5                Ayes, 44.  Nays, 11.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 7   bill is passed.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9   164, Assembly Print 112A, substituted earlier by 

10   Assemblymember Buchwald, an act to amend the 

11   Election Law.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

13   the last section.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

15   act shall take effect on the 15th of December 

16   next succeeding the date on which it shall have 

17   become a law.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

19   the roll.

20                (The Secretary called the roll.)

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

22   Announce the results.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 57.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

25   bill is passed.


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 1                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2   302, Assembly Print 5615, substituted earlier by 

 3   Assemblymember Weinstein, an act to amend the 

 4   Real Property Law.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 6   the last section.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   Section 8.  This 

 8   act shall take effect immediately.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

10   the roll.

11                (The Secretary called the roll.)

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

13   Montgomery to explain her vote.

14                SENATOR MONTGOMERY:   Yes, thank 

15   you, Mr. President.  Last month I hosted, along 

16   with a number of my colleagues, a hearing to look 

17   at the many issues facing homeowners in Brooklyn, 

18   and it only confirmed just how pervasive the 

19   issue of deed theft is.  

20                The Attorney General's office shared 

21   at our hearing that they receive more deed theft 

22   complaints from Brooklyn than the four other 

23   boroughs combined.  And I know for a fact that 

24   there are many more homeowners who suffer in 

25   silence.


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 1                As more and more neighborhoods 

 2   gentrify in Brooklyn and other parts of our city, 

 3   speculation runs rampant and the cost of living 

 4   continues to skyrocket.  Our constituents only 

 5   become then more vulnerable to sophisticated 

 6   scams and outright theft.

 7                Fraudulent companies target our 

 8   seniors, homeowners struggling financially and 

 9   for whom English is not their first language.  

10   They often offer unsolicited so-called assistance 

11   with foreclosure or modifications, sometimes 

12   claiming that their home is already up for 

13   auction.  Homeowners believe these companies will 

14   represent them honesty and inadvertently sign 

15   away the deeds to their homes, sometimes not 

16   realizing the mistake until years later.

17                These are sophisticated operations 

18   taking advantage of loopholes in our law.  

19   Associating themselves with law firms can allow 

20   them to avoid legal repercussions, and burdensome 

21   injunction bond requirements make it difficult 

22   for homeowners to pursue justice in civil court.  

23                Unfortunately, it seems to be all 

24   too easy for them to mislead, defraud and 

25   outright steal property from our constituents.  


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 1   But once the damage is done, reversing it is 

 2   nearly impossible when homeowners, many of whom 

 3   are already struggling, have to take on the cost 

 4   and time of a lawsuit.  

 5                This legislation provides 

 6   protections and remedies for homeowners who sell 

 7   their properties while in default on their 

 8   mortgages or in foreclosure.  And it also 

 9   provides additional protections and regulations 

10   for distressed property consulting contracts.

11                So I want to thank my colleagues for 

12   their support on this significant piece of 

13   legislation.  This bill will close some of the 

14   loopholes and greatly strengthen consumer 

15   protections for homeowners all across New York 

16   State.

17                Thank you, Mr. President.  I vote 

18   aye.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

20   Montgomery to be recorded in the affirmative.

21                Announce the results.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 59.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

24   bill is passed.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


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 1   325, Senate Print 4117A, by Senator Kaplan, an 

 2   act to amend the Real Property Actions and 

 3   Proceedings Law.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 5   the last section.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 7   act shall take effect immediately.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 9   the roll.

10                (The Secretary called the roll.)

11                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

12   Kaplan to explain her vote.

13                SENATOR KAPLAN:   When the State of 

14   New York enacted legislation permitting the use 

15   of medical marijuana by patients for certified 

16   medical uses, it was intended to provide 

17   treatment options to some of the most vulnerable 

18   members of our community.  

19                Unfortunately, there is a growing 

20   disconnect between our state laws and federal 

21   regulations, which can lead to conflicts and 

22   confusions.  In particular, federal Housing and 

23   Urban Development agency guidelines give 

24   landlords discretion on whether to evict 

25   residents of federally subsidized housing solely 


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 1   based on their use of medical marijuana.  

 2   Further, it instructs landlords to deny new 

 3   applicants for subsidized housing solely based on 

 4   their use of medical marijuana.  

 5                This is a clear conflict that 

 6   undermines the goals of our law, forcing patients 

 7   to make a choice between managing their chronic 

 8   conditions and losing their home.  This 

 9   legislation will protect those individuals and 

10   give certainty to an otherwise ambiguous 

11   situation, and for that I cast my vote 

12   affirmatively.

13                Thank you, Mr. President.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

15   Kaplan to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Announce the results.

17                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

18   Calendar Number 325, those Senators voting in the 

19   negative are Senators Antonacci and Funke.

20                Ayes, 57.  Nays, 2.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

22   bill is passed.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

24   343, Assembly Print Number 558A, substituted 

25   earlier by Assemblymember Rosenthal, an act to 


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 1   amend the Public Health Law and the Penal Law.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 3   the last section.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Section 10.  This 

 5   act shall take effect on the 120th day after it 

 6   shall have become a law.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 8   the roll.

 9                (The Secretary called the roll.)

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

11   Savino to explain her vote.

12                SENATOR SAVINO:   Thank you, 

13   Mr. President.

14                I want to rise and first thank my 

15   colleagues for supporting me in my efforts to 

16   move New York State to finally adopt a statewide 

17   tobacco-21 policy.  Some of you may not realize, 

18   but as we speak we now have up to 18 counties 

19   that have raised the age for the purchase -- 

20   raised the minimum age to purchase tobacco 

21   products to age 21.  That includes New York City, 

22   Nassau and Suffolk Counties, Albany County, 

23   Chautauqua, Cattaraugus, Cortland, Westchester, 

24   Orange, Rockland, Schenectady, Sullivan, 

25   Tompkins, Ulster, Essex, Putnam -- and the list 


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 1   goes on and is growing.  

 2                Why?  Because we know that the 

 3   longer it takes for people to have access to the 

 4   ability to purchase tobacco products, the less 

 5   likely they are to begin smoking.  And anything 

 6   we can do to prevent young people from beginning 

 7   to smoke means they are less likely to die from 

 8   lung cancer.  Because here's one thing I can 

 9   guarantee.  If you smoke, you will eventually die 

10   from lung cancer.  

11                We have come a long way from the 

12   days when there were no age limits on the 

13   purchase of tobacco products.  When I started 

14   smoking, I was 12.  I used to go to the store to 

15   buy cigarettes for my mother.  I would walk up in 

16   there and I'd put the money on the counter, and 

17   they would give me a pack of Lucky Strike for my 

18   mother, a pack of King Size Chesterfield for my 

19   grandfather, a pack of Camels for my father.  And 

20   so when I started adding a pack of Marlboro, 

21   nobody in the store or behind the counter batted 

22   an eyelash.  No one thought there was anything 

23   wrong with a 12-year-old buying cigarettes.  

24                And somewhere along the line we 

25   realized that that was a mistake, we shouldn't 


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 1   allow young people that age to be able purchase 

 2   cigarettes.  And so we did put an age limit on 

 3   it, but even that age limit was too low.  

 4                And why is 18 too low?  Some of you 

 5   will say, well, if you can go to combat, if we 

 6   can allow you to go and fight for your country, 

 7   why shouldn't you be able to smoke?  You are 

 8   10 times more likely to survive military combat 

 9   than lung cancer.  That's a fact.  

10                We established the age of 21 for 

11   drinking because we understand that that is more 

12   important, to establish that age, than allowing 

13   people to drink at 18.  We allow young people to 

14   stay on their parents' health insurance plan till 

15   the age of 26.  So we make those decisions 

16   regularly.  

17                But here's one thing again I know.  

18   There is no legitimate purpose for tobacco usage, 

19   none.  Smoking will kill you if you start.  And 

20   the longer it takes to prevent you from starting, 

21   the less likely is it that you will.  

22   Fifteen-year-olds are likely to have 18-year-old 

23   friends who can buy cigarettes for them; 

24   15-year-olds are not likely to have 21-year-old 

25   friends who can buy cigarettes for them.  


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 1                So if for no other reason, think 

 2   about that 15-year-old who may or may not be 

 3   hanging around that 18-year-old who will give 

 4   them access to cigarettes.  That's why it's 

 5   important.  

 6                And more importantly, from a 

 7   statewide perspective, from a retail perspective, 

 8   we need a single standard.  It should be 21 

 9   across the state when we have 18 counties that 

10   have already decided that 21 makes sense.  

11   Twenty-one makes sense because it saves lives.  

12   It prevents people from starting, and the longer 

13   we can do that, the less people will die from 

14   lung cancer.

15                So I vote proudly, as a former 

16   smoker, someone who started way too young and 

17   buried way too many people in my family -- all of 

18   those people I used to buy cigarettes for?  

19   They're all now dead from lung cancer.  

20                I vote in the affirmative.  Thank 

21   you, Mr. President.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

23   Savino to be recorded in the affirmative.

24                Senator Ortt to explain his vote.

25                SENATOR ORTT:   Thank you, 


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 1   Mr. President.

 2                We all know that smoking is bad.  

 3   There's been enough money spent on public service 

 4   announcements over the last decades.  We all know 

 5   the risks of smoking, just as we know the risks 

 6   of excessive drinking and the risks of a host of 

 7   behaviors which are legalized and regulated.  And 

 8   in fact, this body I expect over the next couple 

 9   of months, or maybe a year, will consider other 

10   behaviors to regulate which we know to be bad or 

11   carry with it health risks.  

12                But in a free society, we also 

13   determine that there's an age where adults can 

14   decide what legal behaviors they want to partake 

15   in.  And that's an important tension in our 

16   society.  It doesn't mean that all those 

17   behaviors would be recommended by your doctor or 

18   your dentist or whatever health professional you 

19   may go to.  But at the same time, we have that 

20   ability as free Americans and free citizens.

21                And it's hard for me to be able to 

22   tell an 18-year-old or a 19-year-old or a 

23   20-year-old:  You can go to Afghanistan or Iraq 

24   and fight to defend the greatest country in the 

25   world, but you cannot partake in a legal behavior 


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 1   that adults can.

 2                The alcohol was changed to 21, that 

 3   was a vehicular transportation issue.  Right?  We 

 4   didn't want young people driving while under the 

 5   influence.  And there's no question that saved 

 6   lives -- not only the lives of the people 

 7   drinking, but it probably saved more lives of 

 8   people who weren't drinking, because they were no 

 9   longer killed by drunk drivers or certainly not 

10   to the levels that we saw many, many years ago.

11                But this goes back to -- to me, at a 

12   time when we're even literally talking about and 

13   many on the Majority side will talk about 

14   lowering the voting age to have 17- or even 

15   16-year-olds elect leaders of our country and 

16   state -- they're smart enough to do that, but 

17   they're not smart enough to decide whether they 

18   want to have a cigarette or not.  

19                And while it's a noble goal to save 

20   people -- I hear about saving lives.  We've saved 

21   more lives in this chamber already this 

22   session -- I can't even keep count.  But I don't 

23   know that we're going to actually have the impact 

24   we want.  I think this has become -- because 

25   cigarettes are bad, Big Tobacco is bad, the PSAs 


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 1   have worked.  But at the same time, this is just 

 2   a nanny state policy that I think runs counter to 

 3   really the foundations of what a free society 

 4   should be.  

 5                So for those reasons, while I abhor 

 6   cigarette smoking and I would tell everyone you 

 7   shouldn't do it, they are legal.  And I think 

 8   this goes too far in restricting that freedom.  

 9                Mr. President, I will be no.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

11   Ortt to be recorded in the negative.

12                Senator Jackson to explain his vote.

13                SENATOR JACKSON:   Thank you, 

14   Mr. President.

15                I was in favor of not supporting 

16   this.  And in fact, we had discussions in our 

17   Democratic Conference, and Senator Ortt, I 

18   raised the same issue and concern that if we can 

19   send young men and women off to war, they should 

20   be able to buy and smoke cigarettes if they so 

21   desire.

22                And then listening to some of my 

23   colleagues discuss this issue with us, I'm apt to 

24   vote in favor of the bill, because I agree with 

25   Senator Savino.  And the example that she gave on 


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 1   the floor here, she gave it in the conference.  

 2   You have some people -- young men, some young 

 3   women -- at 18 years old, and they're buying 

 4   cigarettes for those that are 14, 15, 16 and 17.  

 5                And I smoked for a couple of years 

 6   when I was in college.  I don't smoke now.  But I 

 7   do know that cigarettes and smoking is very 

 8   addictive.  We all know that.  

 9                And so I want to do what's best on 

10   behalf of the people of our great state and the 

11   health of the people that we represent.  And so 

12   with all of that consideration, I have to side on 

13   the health of the people of our great state.  

14                And I vote aye in favor of this 

15   bill, and I thank our colleague for presenting it 

16   in the New York State Senate.  Thank you, 

17   Senator Savino.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

19   Jackson to be recorded in the affirmative.

20                Senator Hoylman to explain his vote.

21                SENATOR HOYLMAN:   Thank you, 

22   Mr. President.  I rise to support this 

23   legislation.  

24                And I wanted to point out something 

25   that the sponsor neglected to mention, which is 


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 1   this also raises the age for purchases of 

 2   e-cigarettes.  And that's crucial, because right 

 3   now we are facing an epidemic of JUULing among 

 4   our high school students.  The estimate is 

 5   one-third of high school students in the State of 

 6   New York are actually using electronic cigarettes 

 7   like JUUL.  

 8                And they're being attracted to those 

 9   cigarettes because of all the candy-coated 

10   flavors that JUUL and their competitors are 

11   offering to kids.

12                So while we are weaning many 

13   Americans off of combustible tobacco products, we 

14   are transferring their addiction to nicotine 

15   through electronic cigarettes, and we're also 

16   creating a whole new generation of 

17   nicotine-addicted Americans.  So I support this 

18   legislation for that reason.  

19                I note that every single bill 

20   restricting the e-cigarette industry was stricken 

21   from the budget due to the successful lobbying of 

22   the e-cigarette industry.  And I implore my 

23   colleagues to do more to curb JUUL and other 

24   e-cigarettes.  

25                I vote aye.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 2   Hoylman to be recorded in the affirmative.

 3                Senator Lanza to explain his vote.

 4                SENATOR LANZA:   Thank you, 

 5   Mr. President.

 6                You know, this is one of those tough 

 7   votes that we need to make a decision with 

 8   respect to.  I listened to Senator Savino, the 

 9   sponsor, and Senator Ortt.  And I have to say I 

10   agree with everything that each one of them said.  

11                That's what makes this one tough.  

12   The libertarian side of me says people ought to 

13   do whatever they want to do.  I listened to 

14   Senator Savino, and I agree, cigarettes are 

15   killers.  

16                I've never smoked a cigarette.  But 

17   I will disagree with something Senator Savino 

18   said with respect to there being no legitimate 

19   purpose.  You talk to smokers, they'll tell you, 

20   well, it's their body and they enjoy it.  So that 

21   makes it legitimate to them.

22                But then again, cigarettes are the 

23   only product that we allow to be sold in the 

24   state that, if used as intended, will kill you.  

25   And so therein lies, I think, the problem.  


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 1                But I will say so ultimately 

 2   anything I can do in recognition of that fact to 

 3   prevent people from smoking I think is a good 

 4   idea, and I'm going to fall on the side of 

 5   supporting this legislation.  

 6                But I will say that it points out 

 7   the inconsistencies in some of the policies I 

 8   hear espoused by some of my colleagues across the 

 9   aisle in the Democratic Party.  On the one hand 

10   we're saying if you're 19 or 20, you lack the 

11   wisdom, you lack the maturity to make decisions 

12   about what you put in your own body.  But, you 

13   know, you're wise enough and smart enough at 16 

14   to vote.  

15                On the one hand we're saying that if 

16   you're 19 or 20, you shouldn't smoke because it's 

17   bad for you.  But on the other hand, I hear 

18   Democrats traveling around the state saying, you 

19   know what, and encouraging people to smoke 

20   intoxicating narcotics.  

21                So there's a bit of inconsistency 

22   from what I hear across the aisle.  But at the 

23   end of the day, cigarettes are killers, so I'm 

24   going to vote in the affirmative.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 


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 1   Lanza to be recorded in the affirmative.

 2                Senator Little to explain her vote.

 3                SENATOR LITTLE:   Thank you, 

 4   Mr. President.  

 5                I too acknowledge that this is a 

 6   difficult vote and a difficult topic.  And I have 

 7   been slow to arrive at my decision.  I grew up in 

 8   a family, both of my parents smoked all the time.  

 9   But -- and I also have military sons, and I know 

10   from 18 to 21 people can do a lot of really 

11   responsible, good things, and yet we're saying 

12   they can't purchase cigarettes, which it's not 

13   illegal to smoke.

14                However, I've come to the decision 

15   to vote for this bill because of the vaping 

16   problem that we are having in high schools.  And 

17   we have kids now who are getting their vaping 

18   products from 18-year-olds, and there are many 

19   18-year-olds who are still in our high schools 

20   who are purchasing it for them.  

21                And many of them, using these vaping 

22   tools and all, are putting things such as 

23   marijuana into them.  They can devise what goes 

24   into them and then -- and it's very hard to 

25   detect them even using these in schools.


                                                               2869

 1                So I will vote for this bill.  But I 

 2   also think that when we vote for this and we make 

 3   this illegal to purchase tobacco products at the 

 4   age of 18, we need to decide how this gets 

 5   enforced.  And we need to know that it's not just 

 6   the convenience store vendor who may sell to 

 7   someone who looks -- and I had an example of 

 8   this.  Mid-morning on a school day, a young man, 

 9   beard, flannel shirt, tool belt, looked like he 

10   was working construction that day, he buys 

11   cigarettes.  

12                It turned out to be a sting.  They 

13   got caught doing that, it was a young clerk.  

14   Their penalty was for six months they could not 

15   sell tobacco products, but also for six months 

16   they could not sell lottery tickets.  So they 

17   lost both of those things and they eventually 

18   went out of business, never recovering.

19                So as we do these, let's look at the 

20   whole picture.  How do we assess the penalties?  

21   And they certainly should go on the 19- or 

22   20-year-old using a false I.D. to purchase 

23   cigarettes or to purchase alcohol.  They don't 

24   need to get a felony conviction, but they 

25   certainly need some kind of penalty.  


                                                               2870

 1                But I do vote aye on this.  And I 

 2   look forward to trying to help organize or field 

 3   some way of doing this, because it is an issue in 

 4   the purchase of alcohol.  It will become more of 

 5   an issue with the 18-year-olds, the 21-year-olds 

 6   and cigarettes.  So thank you.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 8   Little to be recorded in the affirmative.

 9                Senator Metzger to explain her vote.

10                SENATOR METZGER:   Thank you, 

11   Mr. President.  I rise in support of this 

12   legislation.  

13                I just wanted to bring up the point 

14   that this is not just about an individual's own 

15   health.  Secondhand smoking poses a threat to 

16   people around them.  So it is a public health 

17   issue.  And on that basis, I think it's 

18   incredibly important to raise the age.

19                I also want to point out that, you 

20   know, I, like Senator Savino -- I mean, I'm as 

21   healthy as can be now in terms of lifestyles.  

22   But when I was in high school, an older kid got 

23   me hooked on cigarettes.  That's how I started.  

24   And it does make a huge difference to just 

25   prohibit it altogether from high-school-age kids.  


                                                               2871

 1   And I think that's a very important step.  

 2                And I'll tell you, as a mother -- I 

 3   have two sons that are freshmen in high school, 

 4   and I'm really concerned about the e-cigarettes.  

 5   And this is yet another really important reason.  

 6   I hear concerns actually from schools throughout 

 7   the district about kids sneaking it in schools.  

 8                So I support this legislation and I 

 9   thank the sponsor for introducing it.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

11   Metzger to be recorded in the affirmative.

12                Senator Helming to explain her vote.

13                SENATOR HELMING:   Thank you, 

14   Mr. President.

15                I agree with the comments that have 

16   been made that this is an extremely tough 

17   subject.  I could tell a similar family story to 

18   Senator Savino's.  

19                But what I want to focus on is, for 

20   me, I think that 18-, 19-, 20-year-olds are 

21   adults, and they're able to make adult decisions.  

22   So I will be voting in the negative on this.

23                But I just -- I was sitting here 

24   thinking about all the discussions I've been 

25   hearing lately about the film tax credit, and 


                                                               2872

 1   thinking about the $420 million that was 

 2   allocated in the budget that was passed -- I was 

 3   going to say last night, but I think it was 

 4   actually today.  And I'm just wondering, in those 

 5   films that are supported with the film tax 

 6   credits, is there any ban on smoking?  Is there 

 7   anything that is being done to assure that the 

 8   movies that are being made, that are being shared 

 9   with young adults, with young kids, with young 

10   impressionable teenagers, anything being done to 

11   ensure that they're not promoting unhealthy 

12   lifestyles -- smoking cigarettes, so much more?  

13                But thank you, Mr. President.  I'll 

14   be voting in the negative.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

16   Helming to be recorded in the negative.

17                Senator Krueger to explain her vote.

18                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

19   Mr. President.

20                I don't think this is a tough vote.  

21   I think we all have their own experiences of the 

22   dangers of smoking, ourselves and our families.  

23                But, you know, we spend a lot of 

24   time here talking about the dangers of addiction 

25   and the dangers of opioid overdoses and what 


                                                               2873

 1   we're doing about them.  Well, guess what, folks, 

 2   a whole lot more people die from smoking than 

 3   from opioid addictions.  In fact, smoking kills 

 4   more people than alcohol, AIDS, car crashes, 

 5   illegal drugs, murders and suicides combined.  

 6   And thousands more die from other tobacco-related 

 7   causes such as fires caused by smoking.

 8                There is no use for tobacco other 

 9   than to create addiction, which then kills you.  

10   I once asked the cigarette companies why they 

11   couldn't come up with something that didn't kill 

12   their customers.  Because they were clearly very 

13   good at marketing, they got people to buy things 

14   that they knew were going to kill them.

15                And the younger that you get hooked, 

16   the harder it will ever be to get off.  Senator 

17   Savino is absolutely right with this bill.  I 

18   don't think it's too radical to start talking 

19   about outlawing tobacco products in this country 

20   for everyone.  Because guess what, we all pay 

21   that price.  We pay the price for the costs of 

22   healthcare, for the costs of people who need all 

23   kinds of intensive services because they have 

24   become ill from smoking.  

25                And again, there's other issues 


                                                               2874

 1   where you say, well, drugs are important for 

 2   certain people for lots of reasons.  Alcohol just 

 3   addicts you and kills you.  

 4                I'm proud to vote yes.  I think we 

 5   should go farther.  Thank you, Mr. President.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 7   Krueger to be recorded in the affirmative.

 8                Senator Gianaris.

 9                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

10   the Transportation and Corporations Committees 

11   are concluding their work, so I would like to 

12   call an immediate meeting of the Finance 

13   Committee now in Room 332 as we continue to 

14   explain votes on this bill.  Thank you.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

16   will be an immediate meeting of the Finance 

17   Committee in Room 332.

18                Senator Tedisco to explain his vote.

19                SENATOR TEDISCO:   Thank you, 

20   Mr. President.  

21                I'm going to be voting for this 

22   bill.  But in doing so, I'd like to talk about a 

23   disconnect and an irony I see in relationship to 

24   it.

25                Smoking is a terrible scourge.  


                                                               2875

 1   You're taking hot smoke, carcinogens, into your 

 2   body.  I don't think there's a person who hasn't 

 3   had a family member, a neighbor, a loved one, 

 4   themselves, who hasn't been impacted negatively 

 5   by some terrible diseases -- cancer, diabetes, 

 6   heart disease.  And that's probably just the 

 7   start of what smoking and how it can impact 

 8   individuals.

 9                If we could alleviate it and get rid 

10   of it, if prohibition would work -- but 

11   historically, we've seen prohibition doesn't 

12   work.  We saw that with alcohol, so it doesn't 

13   work.  

14                Education works minimally, maybe to 

15   some extent.  I'm not sure what the answer is to 

16   stop individuals who start at a young age, 

17   because it is addictive.  Tobacco is addictive.

18                But the disconnect seems to be, to 

19   me, that now it is in place and we know what we 

20   have to do for it, so we're raising the age to 21 

21   to try to minimize the access.  And we spend 

22   hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars on 

23   public relations, on TV ads, public service 

24   announcements to educate people -- young people, 

25   old people, middle-aged people.  


                                                               2876

 1                Fast forward -- I don't know when, 

 2   but we're talking about it now -- we're about or 

 3   some are about to support legalizing another type 

 4   of addiction where you're taking hot smoke into 

 5   your lungs.  Now this one is a little different.  

 6   I think it is addiction.  They call it a gateway 

 7   drug.  It's called marijuana.  At this point 

 8   we're starting to call it cannabis because when 

 9   you want to legalize something, you want a name 

10   this doesn't illustrate -- something that maybe 

11   doesn't bring a bad connotation.  So it's 

12   cannabis.  

13                And also, which really boggles my 

14   mind -- I don't know who made this up.  Because I 

15   never hear anybody talking about recreational 

16   smoking.  We don't say it's recreational smoking, 

17   we're going to sit down and have some 

18   recreational smoking.  

19                Usually, when I ask my constituents 

20   what's recreational, a bowling league, I mean, 

21   tennis, reading books, swimming.  Sitting down 

22   and smoking to get high and potentially getting 

23   in a vehicle and killing people like we had 

24   recently not too long ago in Shenendehowa, when 

25   two Shenendehowa kids were killed by an 


                                                               2877

 1   individual who was drugged and drunk -- that 

 2   doesn't lead me to want to call it recreational 

 3   activity.  But when you're going to legalize 

 4   something, it sounds a little bit better when you 

 5   want to do that.

 6                So what we're going to do -- and I 

 7   looked to Colorado and some of the other, and I'm 

 8   looking at what's happening over there.  And 

 9   first of all, I look at a lot of the research.  

10   Every day my staff -- that young man right there, 

11   Jerry -- brings in more information, more studies 

12   to me about what -- and this is serious, because 

13   most of the people who do this, the 

14   professionals, say you don't understand the 

15   impact this can be to your health.  They talk 

16   about retention.  They talk about losing memory.

17                Now, when we legalize this -- yeah, 

18   it's going to be 21, I imagine, it's going to be 

19   for adults.  But my goodness, we know that it 

20   doesn't start at 21 with adults in terms of the 

21   use of marijuana.  You can go into elementary 

22   school -- I don't know if it's in junior high, 

23   but it's in high school, I'm pretty sure.  

24   Kids are active with this thing.

25                Now the message is going to be 


                                                               2878

 1   smoking is bad, we're going to make it 21, but 

 2   marijuana is good, we're going to legalize that 

 3   now and we're going to add another substance of 

 4   hot smoke, which is addictive and can have impact 

 5   on your ability to drive and do other functions 

 6   that are important.  

 7                But most importantly, think about 

 8   this.  We pay $21,000 or over a year per capita 

 9   per student, the most of any student in the 

10   United States of America for any state, to try to 

11   get a great education.  The scores aren't as high 

12   as we'd like them to be.  The graduation rates 

13   aren't as high as we'd like them to be.  Now 

14   we're sending a message, if I'm in high school, 

15   there's a high school kid out in Albany, hey, the 

16   New York State Legislature, a bunch of smart, 

17   wonderful, intelligent people -- and I'm not sure 

18   about those three aspects of us that they talk 

19   about us in that way.  I've heard -- on some of 

20   the votes I've made, I've got different calls and 

21   been called different things.  

22                "They've legalized that now, so it 

23   must not be too bad.  And what I may want to do 

24   is take some marijuana before I go take a test, 

25   it will help me study" -- it will help me get 


                                                               2879

 1   just the opposite.  

 2                Also they've shown a 60 to 

 3   70 percent increase in deaths on the road because 

 4   of impairment of taking in marijuana.

 5                But the point is also this.  All 

 6   that money we're spending to stop people from 

 7   smoking?  We're going to legalize something which 

 8   we're going to eventually, believe me, spend 

 9   hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop people 

10   from doing when we find out young people are 

11   doing it, they're getting on the road and they're 

12   killing other people, and adults are doing it, 

13   getting on the road and killing other people.  

14   It's just the tip of the iceberg.  

15                Last thing.  The last poll I saw 

16   from Colorado -- because I know they're talking 

17   about a lot of tax dollars coming in -- for every 

18   dollar they earned in taxes, it costs them $3.50 

19   because of the accidents, the insurance costs, 

20   the taking of life.

21                So I'm going to vote for this, but 

22   I'm really concerned about the disconnection 

23   coming down the road if we go to marijuana and 

24   try to legalize it.  I think it's a terrible 

25   message.


                                                               2880

 1                Thank you, Mr. President.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 3   Tedisco to be recorded in the affirmative.

 4                Senator Harckham to explain his 

 5   vote.

 6                SENATOR HARCKHAM:   Thank you, 

 7   Mr. President.  I rise to talk about tobacco.

 8                And I want to thank Senator Savino 

 9   for bringing this legislation today.

10                I really do appreciate all the 

11   comments we've heard today about addiction, about 

12   public freedom, and they're all valid arguments.  

13                I would just add to the discussion 

14   that there's also an issue about cost to society.  

15   The earlier people begin to smoke, chronic 

16   illnesses, lost productivity at jobs.  So the 

17   studies show that the earlier people start 

18   smoking, the more it costs our economy in lost 

19   productivity and in healthcare costs.

20                So for those reasons, I will be 

21   supporting this measure.

22                Thank you.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

24   Harckham to be recorded in the affirmative.

25                Senator Martinez to explain her 


                                                               2881

 1   vote.

 2                SENATOR MARTINEZ:   Oh.  Sorry, 

 3   Mr. President.

 4                First of all, good afternoon once 

 5   again.  I hope we all had a nice, well-rested 

 6   couple of hours since last night.  

 7                But I will be voting in the 

 8   affirmative for this bill.  As a former educator, 

 9   I saw the dangers of addiction on our young, and 

10   what was a curious gesture became a lifetime 

11   addiction and just a way of life.

12                Can our adults make decisions to go 

13   to war and fight for this great nation that we 

14   call home?  Of course they can.  But we also know 

15   that the child's brain starts developing at a 

16   young age and fully develops at the age of 25.  

17   And if we allow these young individuals to be 

18   smoking at a young age, we are hurting their 

19   development.  

20                We need to make sure that as 

21   policymakers we protect the most vulnerable 

22   against those that are preying against them.

23                In Suffolk County, as a legislator, 

24   we were an additional county in the State of 

25   New York to make the age 21 to buy cigarettes in 


                                                               2882

 1   Suffolk County, and I'm glad that New York State 

 2   is taking those steps and following the steps of 

 3   those counties who have already done it.  

 4                And for that reason, first I'd like 

 5   to thank our sponsor, and I will be voting in the 

 6   affirmative.  Thank you.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 8   Martinez to be recorded in the affirmative.

 9                Senator Biaggi to explain her vote.

10                SENATOR BIAGGI:   Thank you, 

11   Mr. President. 

12                I rise today in strong support of 

13   this bill, and I want to thank the sponsor of 

14   this bill.  But I also want to just talk about 

15   intellectual honesty, because I think that's 

16   important.  

17                We are talking about tobacco here, 

18   we're not talking about marijuana.  But if I may, 

19   just for one second, multiple points of research 

20   have proven that not only is marijuana not a 

21   gateway drug, but it, full stop, is not the same 

22   as tobacco.  So in an effort to be intellectually 

23   honest, I really think it's important that we're 

24   sticking to facts and reading these studies, 

25   because people at home are listening to us and 


                                                               2883

 1   they're putting their trust in us, and we owe 

 2   that to them.  

 3                Our job is to protect people.  And 

 4   by raising the age of the ability to purchase 

 5   tobacco products from 18 to 21, we are doing just 

 6   that.  

 7                I believe it was a Philip Morris 

 8   memo that was released which said that if we 

 9   actually put this law forward and pass this law, 

10   we will be gutting a major part of the tobacco 

11   industry.  And I think that's a great thing.  We 

12   don't want people to be smoking cigarettes.  We 

13   don't want people to be using tobacco products.

14                And may I just end on this note.  We 

15   oftentimes are talking about marijuana and 

16   alcohol and tobacco all in the same category, but 

17   we have to also acknowledge that alcohol is 

18   essentially a poison, marijuana is a plant.  And 

19   we can have a further discussion perhaps at 

20   another time when we put forward legislation to 

21   actually legalize cannabis, but these are things 

22   that we ought to be intellectually honest about.  

23                And I am actually very proud to vote 

24   aye for this particular bill for that reason.  

25   Thank you.


                                                               2884

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 2   Biaggi to be recorded in the affirmative.

 3                Announce the results.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 5   Calendar Number 343 --

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 7   Kaplan to explain her vote.

 8                SENATOR KAPLAN:   Thank you, 

 9   Mr. President.

10                We all know smoking has long been an 

11   acceptable part of our culture in this country.  

12   But the reality of addiction to nicotine isn't 

13   something we really like to acknowledge.

14                The reality is that of all youth who 

15   become regular smokers, half will eventually die 

16   of a smoking-related illness, including cancer, 

17   heart disease and other terrible conditions.

18                The truth is the earlier people 

19   begin to smoke, the higher their risk for 

20   developing these conditions.  By taking action to 

21   reduce young people's access to nicotine, we're 

22   giving them a better shot at never becoming 

23   addicted in the first place.

24                Communities on Long Island already 

25   recognize this, and we've taken action at the 


                                                               2885

 1   county level to help protect our kids by raising 

 2   the age to buy tobacco products to 21.  It's 

 3   working on Long Island, and it's time we passed 

 4   this legislation to enact the change statewide.

 5                I want to thank Senator Savino for 

 6   sponsoring this bill.  And for these reasons, I 

 7   proudly cast my vote in the affirmative.  

 8                Thank you.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

10   Kaplan to be recorded in the affirmative.

11                Senator Carlucci to explain his 

12   vote.

13                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   Thank you, 

14   Mr. President.

15                And I too want to thank my 

16   colleagues for supporting this important 

17   legislation to raise the age to 21 for the sale 

18   of tobacco.  

19                We know that unfortunately 

20   approximately a half a million Americans die each 

21   year because of tobacco-related deaths, and 

22   10 percent of that population die due to 

23   secondhand smoke.  We know that nine out of 10 

24   Americans start smoking before the age of 21.  So 

25   this is a commonsense measure to combat the fact 


                                                               2886

 1   that we have to stop a new generation from 

 2   becoming addicted to tobacco products.  

 3                There's been a long, hard push over 

 4   the last couple of decades, but that seems to 

 5   tail off.  So this is something that we know it's 

 6   commonsense, it makes sense, it's worked in other 

 7   states.  Let's do it here to finally end the 

 8   addiction to tobacco and help people live 

 9   productive, healthy lives.  

10                So I want to thank the sponsor of 

11   this legislation and all of my colleagues for 

12   supporting this commonsense legislation to keep 

13   our children healthy and help the rest of 

14   New York State remain healthy as well.  I'll be 

15   supporting this legislation.  

16                Thank you, Mr. President.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

18   Carlucci to be recorded in the affirmative.

19                Announce the results.

20                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

21   Calendar Number 343, those Senators voting in the 

22   negative are Senators Antonacci, Gallivan, 

23   Griffo, Helming, Kavanagh, Ortt, Ranzenhofer, 

24   Ritchie and Serino.

25                Ayes, 51.  Nays, 9.


                                                               2887

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 2   bill is passed.

 3                Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

 4   reading of today's calendar.

 5                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 6   let's stand at ease until the Finance Committee 

 7   returns.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9   Senate will stand at ease.

10                (Whereupon, the Senate stood at ease 

11   at 4:11 p.m.)

12                (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened at 

13   4:40 p.m.)

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

15   Senate will return to order.  

16                Senator Gianaris.  

17                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

18   is there a report of the Finance Committee at the 

19   desk?  

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

21   is a report of the Finance Committee at the desk.  

22                The Secretary will read.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Krueger, 

24   from the Committee on Finance, reports the 

25   following nomination:  


                                                               2888

 1                As a member of the Board of the 

 2   Metropolitan Transportation Authority, Michael 

 3   Lynton, of Brooklyn.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 5   Gianaris.

 6                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 7   in a moment I'll ask you to recognize Senator 

 8   Krueger to speak, but first I want to call an 

 9   immediate meeting of the Rules Committee in 

10   Room 332 while the confirmation process is 

11   ongoing.

12                Please recognize Senator Krueger.

13                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you very 

14   much, Mr. President.  The Finance -- oh, wait.  

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Please 

16   hold on, Senator.  

17                There is an immediate meeting of the 

18   Rules Committee in Room 332.

19                Senator Krueger.

20                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you very 

21   much.

22                The Transportation Committee, 

23   Corporations Committee, and Finance Committee, 

24   all finding Michael Lynton more than qualified to 

25   be nominated as the next member of the MTA Board, 


                                                               2889

 1   have sent his confirmation to the full Senate to 

 2   confirm him.  

 3                He is a quite impressive gentleman, 

 4   hailing currently from Brooklyn, with a long 

 5   history with various corporations and a 

 6   commitment to public transportation.  

 7                I will say that the highlight, I 

 8   think, for many members who had a chance to meet 

 9   him was the recognition that we continued to 

10   highlight how difficult this job was going to be, 

11   how angry people were going to be at him, how 

12   many demands people were going to make of him, 

13   and even that he might get protested at his home 

14   as a board member -- and he still wants the 

15   unpaid job.  

16                (Laughter.)

17                SENATOR KRUEGER:   So I think that 

18   the Governor has sent us an excellent masochistic 

19   nominee for the MTA Board, and I am happy to 

20   stand here and nominate him to such a position.

21                Thank you, Mr. President.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

23   Comrie.

24                SENATOR COMRIE:   Thank you, 

25   Mr. President.  I also stand to support Michael 


                                                               2890

 1   Lynton as an appointee from the Governor -- a 

 2   nominee to be on the MTA Board.

 3                I was impressed with his desire to 

 4   serve.  I was impressed with his resume.  I was 

 5   curious as to why a person that came from where 

 6   he has come from in the entertainment world 

 7   wanted to serve on the MTA Board.  But he shared 

 8   with us that as a Brooklyn resident, he takes the 

 9   train to Manhattan every day.  As someone that 

10   has worked in various areas in entertainment, he 

11   was interested in transportation issues, 

12   especially through technology.  

13                Working in his various capacities, 

14   having worked on transportation issues in 

15   New York and in other parts of the country, 

16   especially California, where he lived, he was 

17   interested in taking on a challenge.  

18                And for someone of his background 

19   and diversity and acumen, with his focus on the 

20   access to the business community, the corporate 

21   community and especially the technology 

22   community, I think that Michael Lynton will be a 

23   positive addition to the MTA Board, one who will 

24   make sure that the MTA Board -- as well as he 

25   understands that there's a need to make sure that 


                                                               2891

 1   there are reforms.  He understands that he may be 

 2   picketed, as Senator Krueger said earlier.  He 

 3   understands that he may be one of the least 

 4   favorite people in New York as a result of being 

 5   an MTA Board member, but he still accepted the 

 6   opportunity to serve on the board.

 7                To me that shows a dedication, to me 

 8   that shows a desire to be a change agent, to me 

 9   that shows a desire for someone to want to 

10   participate in making the government better.

11                After talking with him, he showed 

12   that he truly cares about making the opportunity 

13   to see the MTA become a system that we can all 

14   have trust and faith in, making sure that we do 

15   the public meetings and the hearings to show that 

16   there will be reform within the MTA, that he will 

17   meet the challenge to try to improve the 

18   opportunities to make it transparent, I think he 

19   will be an excellent board member.  

20                I encourage all of our members to 

21   vote aye.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

23   Kennedy on the nomination.

24                SENATOR KENNEDY:   Thank you, 

25   Mr. President.  


                                                               2892

 1                Mr. President, first of all, I rise 

 2   to support this nomination of Mr. Michael Lynton 

 3   as a member of the board of the MTA.  

 4                He passed through the Senate 

 5   Transportation Committee, and I as chair had an 

 6   opportunity to meet with him earlier today, get 

 7   to know him a bit.  I worked with Chairman 

 8   Senator Leroy Comrie as well as Chairwoman of 

 9   Finance Liz Krueger to advance him today.

10                As has already been mentioned, he is 

11   an individual that I think can bring a certain 

12   business acumen to this position, and talents and 

13   expertise that the MTA needs as we are making 

14   these holistic chances to the system.  

15                As we're creating accountability 

16   measures, as we're improving the technology of 

17   the system, the reliability, the dependability of 

18   the system for the ridership, it's essential that 

19   we have people in place that have the talent and 

20   the know-how and the focus and, quite frankly, 

21   the demeanor to be able to tackle these tough 

22   issues as we are once again making generational, 

23   transformational investments, not only from a 

24   capital financial aspect of resolving the issues 

25   at the MTA but also, just as importantly, the 


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 1   accountability measures that we're implementing 

 2   within the MTA as well.  

 3                So I proudly stand here with my 

 4   colleagues to support this very strong 

 5   nomination.  I congratulate the Governor once 

 6   again for putting forward such an extraordinary 

 7   nominee.  And I would ask all of our colleagues 

 8   to be supportive of Mr. Michael Lynton as well.

 9                I vote aye, Mr. President.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

11   question is on the nomination of Michael Lynton 

12   as a member of the Board of the Metropolitan 

13   Transportation Authority.

14                All in favor say aye.

15                (Response of "Aye.")

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

17   Opposed?  

18                (No response.)

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

20   Michael Lynton has been confirmed as a member of 

21   Board of the Metropolitan Transportation 

22   Authority.

23                Senator Biaggi.

24                SENATOR BIAGGI:   Thank you, 

25   Mr. President.


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 1                Can we now please stand at ease.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3   Senate will stand at ease.

 4                (Whereupon, the Senate stood at ease 

 5   at 4:47 p.m.)

 6                (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened at 

 7   4:49 p.m.)

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9   Senate will return to order.

10                Senator Gianaris.

11                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

12   is there a report of the Rules Committee at the 

13   desk?  

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

15   is a Rules Committee report at the desk.  

16                The Secretary will read.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Senator 

18   Stewart-Cousins, from the Committee on Rules, 

19   reports the following bills:  

20                Senate Print 4901, by Senator Mayer, 

21   an act to amend the Executive Law; and 

22                Senate Print 4936, by Senator 

23   Gounardes, an act to amend the Executive Law.

24                All bills ordered direct to third 

25   reading.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 2   Gianaris.

 3                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Move to accept 

 4   the report of the Rules Committee.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   All in 

 6   favor of accepting the report of the 

 7   Rules Committee signify by saying aye.

 8                (Response of "Aye.")

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

10   Opposed?  

11                (No response.)

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

13   report is accepted.

14                Senator Gianaris.

15                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Can we now take 

16   up the supplemental calendar, please.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

18   Secretary will read the substitution.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Mayer moves 

20   to discharge, from the Committee on 

21   Investigations and Government Operations, 

22   Assembly Bill Number 3425 and substitute it for 

23   the identical Senate Bill Number 4901, Third 

24   Reading Calendar 364.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 


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 1   substitution is so ordered.

 2                The Secretary will read.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4   364, Assembly Print 3425, by Assemblymember 

 5   Dilan, an act to amend the Executive Law.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 7   the last section.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 9   act shall take effect immediately.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

11   the roll.

12                (The Secretary called the roll.)

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

14   Announce the results.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17   bill is passed.

18                The Secretary will read the 

19   substitution.  

20                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Gounardes 

21   moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

22   Finance, Assembly Bill Number 6965 and substitute 

23   it for the identical Senate Bill 4936, Third 

24   Reading Calendar 365.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 


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 1   substitution is so ordered.

 2                The Secretary will read.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4   365, Assembly Print 6965, by Assemblymember 

 5   Abbate, an act to amend the Executive Law.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 7   the last section.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 9   act shall take effect immediately.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

11   the roll.

12                (The Secretary called the roll.)

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

14   Announce the results.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17   bill is passed.

18                Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

19   reading of today's calendar.

20                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

21   is there any further business at the desk?

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

23   is no further business at the desk.

24                SENATOR GIANARIS:   I move to 

25   adjourn until Monday, April 8th, at 3:00 p.m., 


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 1   intervening days being legislative days.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   On 

 3   motion, the Senate stands adjourned until Monday, 

 4   April 8th, at 3:00 p.m., intervening days being 

 5   legislative days.

 6                (Whereupon, the Senate adjourned at 

 7   4:52 p.m.)

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