Regular Session - March 29, 2022

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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                   March 29, 2022

11                      3:29 p.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR JAMAAL T. BAILEY, Acting President

19  ALEJANDRA N. PAULINO, ESQ., Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 3    Senate will come to order.  

 4                 I ask everyone present to please 

 5    rise and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6                 (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7    the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.) 

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   In the 

 9    absence of clergy, let us bow our heads in a 

10    moment of silent reflection or prayer.

11                 (Whereupon, the assemblage respected 

12    a moment of silence.)

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Reading 

14    of the Journal.

15                 THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Monday, 

16    March 28, 2022, the Senate met pursuant to 

17    adjournment.  The Journal of Sunday, March 27, 

18    2022, was read and approved.  On motion, the 

19    Senate adjourned.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Without 

21    objection, the Journal stands approved as read.

22                 Presentation of petitions.

23                 Messages from the Assembly.

24                 Messages from the Governor.

25                 Reports of standing committees.


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 1                 Reports of select committees.

 2                 Communications and reports from 

 3    state officers.

 4                 Motions and resolutions.

 5                 Senator Gianaris.

 6                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Good afternoon, 

 7    Mr. President.  

 8                 We're going to simultaneously go 

 9    through some resolutions while the Finance 

10    Committee is meeting.  

11                 So please call an immediate meeting 

12    of the Finance Committee in Room 332.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   There 

14    will be an immediate meeting of the 

15    Finance Committee in Room 332.

16                 Senator Gianaris.

17                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   And now let's 

18    move on to adopt the Resolution Calendar, with 

19    the exception of Resolution 2169.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   All those 

21    in favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar, 

22    with the exception of Resolution 2169, please 

23    signify by saying aye.  

24                 (Response of "Aye.")

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Opposed, 


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 1    nay.

 2                 (No response.)

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 4    Resolution Calendar is adopted.

 5                 Senator Gianaris.

 6                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Now let's begin 

 7    with previously adopted Resolution 1940, by 

 8    Senator Harckham, read its title, and recognize 

 9    Senator Harckham.

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

11    Secretary will read.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Senate Resolution 

13    1940, by Senator Harckham, recognizing March 29, 

14    2022, as Vietnam Veterans Day.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

16    Harckham on the resolution.

17                 SENATOR HARCKHAM:   Thank you, 

18    Mr. President.

19                 And today, as mentioned, is National 

20    Vietnam Veterans Day.  This is the 

21    10th anniversary of the first occasion of this 

22    event, which was proclaimed by then 

23    President Obama back in 2012.  

24                 I want to thank the Majority Leader 

25    for supporting us bringing this event back to the 


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 1    chamber.  We were off for two years because of 

 2    COVID, and I'm so glad that we could welcome our 

 3    veterans back here today.  

 4                 I want to thank Senator Kaplan for 

 5    visiting with us and spending some time with our 

 6    veterans as well.

 7                 So today I want to welcome all 

 8    veterans of the Vietnam War.  And today we have 

 9    nine veterans from my district, the 40th Senate 

10    District, who proudly served.

11                 So here today with us:  Karl Rohde, 

12    director of the Putnam County Veterans Services 

13    Agency; Art Hanley, deputy director of the 

14    Putnam County Veterans Services Agency; 

15    Steve Seid, assistant at the Putnam County 

16    Veterans Services Agency; William Nazario, 

17    national senior vice commander for the Military 

18    Order of the Purple Heart; Rob Rottkamp, 

19    commander of the Brewster VFW Post 672; 

20    Harry Sherblom, quartermaster of the Brewster 

21    VFW Post 672; Eugene Lang, a Purple Heart 

22    recipient; Bob Matuszewski, James Mecca, and 

23    Tor Heskesta -- all veterans of the Vietnam War 

24    who are with us here today.

25                 From the time the United States 


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 1    carried out its first combat mission on 

 2    January 12, 1962, until when the last American 

 3    troops left Vietnam on March 29th of 1973, more 

 4    than 3 million Americans served in that theater 

 5    and more than 58,000 sacrificed their lives 

 6    during that conflict; 300,000 were wounded and 

 7    more than 75,000 permanently disabled.  And 1200 

 8    remain missing and unaccounted for, and we pray 

 9    for them on a daily basis.  

10                 But today we pay homage to the brave 

11    men and women who served in that conflict and are 

12    here with us, today knowing full well that they 

13    served with tremendous courage and sacrifice, 

14    knowing full well that when they returned home 

15    alive, they bore physical and psychological 

16    scars, many of which were life-lasting.

17                 If anything, we must acknowledge 

18    that that era, the Vietnam era in our nation, was 

19    a scar on our history -- not because of the men 

20    and the women who left their homes to volunteer 

21    their services or when they were called to duty, 

22    but because how these brave men and women were 

23    treated when they returned from the war.  They 

24    were disparaged.  They were dishonored.  They 

25    unfairly faced blame and shame.  They were 


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 1    denigrated, and they were vilified.  

 2                 And today we know better.  And we 

 3    know how much honor and respect and gratitude 

 4    they all deserve for putting on the uniform, for 

 5    wearing the flag on their arm and traveling to 

 6    the other side of the globe and serving our 

 7    country.

 8                 And today we understand that our 

 9    Vietnam War veterans learned to protect each 

10    other and to continue to protect each other 

11    today.  And as I mentioned, many of them are 

12    involved in veterans services, working with each 

13    other and also working within the community.

14                 And today we see Vietnam veterans at 

15    airports all across the country, welcoming back 

16    the men and women of our armed services as they 

17    return home from combat, knowing full well that 

18    we were not there for them when they came back 

19    home, and yet they are there with their arms 

20    open.  

21                 And these are the types of leaders 

22    we talk about when we debate the funding, the 

23    increase of funding that we all support in this 

24    chamber for the Dwyer Vet2Vet program.

25                 So today we enter into the record of 


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 1    the proceedings a resolution that New York State 

 2    wishes to show all of our Vietnam veterans the 

 3    respect and the appreciation that they did not 

 4    always get when they returned home.  Welcome 

 5    home, and thank you for your service.

 6                 So today we pause our deliberations 

 7    to recognize March 29th as Vietnam Veterans Day, 

 8    and to thank our brave Vietnam veterans for their 

 9    honorable and noble service to this country.

10                 Thank you, and God bless you.  

11                 I vote aye, Mr. President.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

13    you, Senator Harckham.

14                 Senator Brooks on the resolution.

15                 SENATOR BROOKS:   Thank you, 

16    Mr. President.

17                 Thank you, Senator Harckham, for 

18    introducing this resolution.  

19                 You know, as we think back to the 

20    Vietnam days and what we went through -- and for 

21    those of us who were in the service during those 

22    years, the war unfortunately took a very, very 

23    political turn.  The gentlemen and people that we 

24    honor today, men and women who served in that 

25    war, did their duty and followed the orders they 


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 1    were given.  And in many, many ways they became 

 2    victims of the political drama, if you will, that 

 3    was going on in our country.

 4                 Whether these individuals were 

 5    drafted or enlisted, they were following out the 

 6    orders of their country.  And unfortunately, 

 7    many times they were effectively held liable for 

 8    things they had nothing to do with.

 9                 There was a point during the war 

10    that if you were traveling and you were in 

11    uniform, you'd often take it off, change into 

12    civilian clothes.

13                 When these soldiers returned home, 

14    they weren't welcomed home.  They weren't 

15    respected for the responsibilities they had and 

16    they carried out.  It was a sad commentary on our 

17    nation.  

18                 We, as the free citizens of this 

19    country, all of what we hold and enjoy, all of 

20    our rights and privileges, in the end come from 

21    the services of those who are in the military, 

22    particularly during wartime.

23                 I served in the military during the 

24    Vietnam War.  I never was activated to go to 

25    Vietnam, and I often felt that I didn't have the 


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 1    right to say that I'm a veteran, because I saw 

 2    what those who were engaged in the war had to go 

 3    through and carry out, the physical scars and the 

 4    mental scars that they had.  

 5                 I can still remember hearing of the 

 6    loss of different friends over there and how you 

 7    felt.  Today, so many years after the war, we're 

 8    still -- we're still dealing with the damage from 

 9    that war, psychological and physical injuries, 

10    exposures to chemicals.  

11                 Today we have an opportunity to say 

12    to the gentlemen and ladies that served in this 

13    war:  Thank you.  Thank you for protecting our 

14    nation.  Thank you for carrying out the orders 

15    that you were directed to carry.  And the 

16    legislative bodies of this country and this state 

17    need to recognize the responsibilities we have to 

18    those who served this nation.

19                 I think in this body we've done a 

20    great job expanding programs to help and protect 

21    and serve those individuals.  But we can never, 

22    ever make up for how these men and women were 

23    treated when they returned home.

24                 So to the veterans that gather with 

25    us today, I say to all of you:  Welcome home, and 


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 1    thank you for your service to this nation.

 2                 Thank you, Mr. President.  I vote 

 3    aye.

 4                 (Applause.)

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

 6    you, Senator Brooks.

 7                 Senator Addabbo on the resolution.

 8                 SENATOR ADDABBO:   Thank you, 

 9    Mr. President.  Tough act to follow.  

10                 Good afternoon, everyone.  I too 

11    want to thank Senator Harckham for the resolution 

12    giving us the opportunity to express our 

13    appreciation and recognition for our Vietnam War 

14    veterans on this Vietnam War Veterans Day.  

15                 And as a proud member of the 

16    Senate Veterans Committee, so ably chaired by 

17    Senator Brooks, it is an honor to say thank you.

18                 You know, actually in my town -- or 

19    my district of Elmhurst today, the Vietnam -- 

20    Chapter 32 of the Vietnam Veterans of America did 

21    a memorial about the Vietnam Veterans Memorial 

22    there today, and we thank them for that as well.

23                 You know, as was mentioned, so many 

24    of our Vietnam veterans who returned home were 

25    not respected and were not given the 


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 1    accommodations that they should have done, and 

 2    that was unacceptable and wrong then and forever 

 3    will be unacceptable and wrong.  And so that's 

 4    why it's so important to have this resolution 

 5    today to again express the appropriate 

 6    recognition and appreciation.

 7                 You know, I remember a quote from 

 8    President Calvin Coolidge that said "A nation 

 9    which forgets its defenders will be itself 

10    forgotten."  We will never forget, from here on 

11    in, we will never forget the sacrifices made by 

12    our Vietnam veterans.  

13                 I'm of the opinion every day is 

14    Veterans Day.  We thank our veterans every day.  

15    But on this day we take that special moment to 

16    thank our Vietnam veterans for returning home, 

17    and we say -- appropriately -- welcome home, and 

18    thank you for your service.

19                 May God bless you and all the 

20    veterans across this world.  Thank you so much.  

21                 I vote aye.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

23    you, Senator Addabbo.

24                 Senator Mayer on the resolution.

25                 SENATOR MAYER:   Thank you, 


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 1    Mr. President.  

 2                 And thank you, gentlemen, for being 

 3    here today.  Thank you for your service.  And 

 4    thank you for honoring us with your presence and 

 5    this opportunity, awarded by Senator Harckham's 

 6    resolution, for us to speak about not only you, 

 7    but all your comrades and colleagues who served.

 8                 Today in preparing for this 

 9    resolution, I read a number of letters written 

10    home from Vietnam vets.  There's quite a 

11    collection.  The letters are extraordinary of how 

12    tough it was, how difficult to write to your 

13    loved ones and tell the stories of what was 

14    happening -- the loss of colleagues and comrades, 

15    the brotherhood and the sisterhood that was 

16    fostered there.  

17                 It is a reminder that the intensity 

18    of that war was so great that those of us here in 

19    the comfort of home, and not in Vietnam, will 

20    never understand what it was like.

21                 And so I commend to everyone to read 

22    those letters and to get the feeling of what it 

23    was like for someone in the Army or in one of the 

24    services to write home to their loved ones.

25                 But then I was prompted to read the 


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 1    speech -- part of the speech by then 

 2    President Obama when this day was created.  And 

 3    he was far more artful than I was, and I just 

 4    wanted to read a little bit of what he said:  

 5    "Let us tell a story of a generation that came 

 6    home and how, even though some Americans turned 

 7    their back on you, you never turned your back on 

 8    America.  Like generations before you, you took 

 9    off the uniform but you never stopped serving.  

10    You became teachers and police officers and 

11    nurses, the folks we count on every day.  You 

12    became leaders and public servants from town 

13    halls to Capitol Hill, lifting up our 

14    communities, our state and our nation.  You 

15    reminded us of what it was like to serve, what it 

16    meant to serve."  

17                 And so you have given us the example 

18    of what true service is.  Even when our country 

19    failed to do right by you, you have kept up with 

20    service.  And whether you serve in your local 

21    veterans organization -- and I think some of you, 

22    I'm from Southern Westchester, may come down to 

23    Yonkers or New Rochelle occasionally with your 

24    veteran brothers -- today is a day when it is our 

25    obligation not only to say we will never allow 


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 1    what happened to you to happen again, but at the 

 2    same time we acknowledge your long-lasting 

 3    service, which came after your service in 

 4    Vietnam.  

 5                 You continued to serve this country 

 6    so well, and we are so honored today to be able 

 7    to have this day and have the opportunity to 

 8    thank you for your service from a very meaningful 

 9    place and to say God bless you and God bless 

10    America, and thank you for standing for our 

11    country.

12                 Thank you, Mr. President.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

14    you, Senator Mayer.

15                 Senator May on the resolution.

16                 SENATOR MAY:   Thank you, 

17    Mr. President.  

18                 And I want to thank my colleague 

19    Senator Harckham for bringing this resolution and 

20    to our guests as well.  Thank you, as 

21    Senator Mayer said, for honoring us with your 

22    presence.

23                 I also rise to thank the 

24    200,000 New Yorkers who served in Vietnam and the 

25    one out of every nine soldiers who was wounded in 


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 1    that war.  Out of those who were wounded, one in 

 2    four sustained permanent disabilities.  And that 

 3    means that they have carried, for their whole 

 4    lives, the sacrifice every day, the sacrifice 

 5    that we called on them to make in the 

 6    Vietnam War.  

 7                 We owe them all of our gratitude and 

 8    our support.  And I especially want to lift up 

 9    the organizations that support our veterans, in 

10    particular Clear Path for Veterans, which has an 

11    amazing facility on the border of Onondaga and 

12    Madison counties, where they provide space for 

13    fellowship, hot meals, wellness programs, and 

14    they train service dogs who provide, in their 

15    turn, an incredible service to veterans who need 

16    the -- whether it's help with PTSD or with 

17    activities of daily life or just raising their 

18    quality of life.

19                 So I want to thank all of our 

20    veterans and those who support them, because you 

21    are doing the work that our country owes to you 

22    and to all who served in this war.

23                 Thank you.  I vote aye.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

25    you, Senator May.


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 1                 Senator Stec on the resolution.

 2                 SENATOR STEC:   I rise too to extend 

 3    and associate myself with the remarks of my 

 4    colleagues before on this Vietnam Veterans Day.

 5                 I wanted to add a little detail to 

 6    it I thought was worth mentioning.  According to 

 7    the VA:  8.7 million American served during the 

 8    era from 1964 to 1973; 3.4 million were deployed 

 9    to Southeast Asia and 2.7 million served in the 

10    Republic of Vietnam; 58,220 Americans were killed 

11    in Vietnam; and at the war's end, 2,646 were 

12    listed as POW or MIA and, as of today, 1,584 are 

13    still unaccounted for.  

14                 So I think it's important for us to 

15    pause and remember that we left a lot of good 

16    people behind, good Americans that were serving 

17    their country, they were following orders, they 

18    were doing what elected officials sent them to 

19    do.  

20                 And of course, as has been mentioned 

21    on this floor before but I think is worth 

22    emphasizing, it's important to remember the 

23    disgrace that was shown them when they returned 

24    home -- uncalled-for, certainly un-American, to 

25    treat people that many of them volunteered but, 


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 1    back then, many of them did not volunteer.  They 

 2    were there against their will, they were forced 

 3    to go there by their government.  

 4                 And their thanks for that, for that 

 5    service and sacrifice, was to be spit upon, 

 6    discriminated against, refused employment, 

 7    refused housing because they served this nation.  

 8    It's a national embarrassment.  And it's worth 

 9    remembering and it's worth pointing out today.

10                 One of those veterans is near and 

11    dear to my heart.  My father, who's a United 

12    States Marine, served from 1962 to 1965, and he 

13    served in Vietnam in 1965 in artillery.  And he's 

14    talked about his service, and he's proud of his 

15    service.  And fortunately I think spared a lot of 

16    the indignation that a lot of his fellow soldiers 

17    and sailors, airmen and marines, experienced when 

18    they came back home.  

19                 And so to the nine that are here 

20    blessing us with their presence today, I say 

21    thank you -- thank you -- God bless you.  Our 

22    country should be sorry for the way that you were 

23    treated for serving your country, your duty.  

24                 And I'm thankful for all of our 

25    veterans' service, but today Vietnam Veterans 


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 1    Day, is about those that served and sacrificed 

 2    and got very little thanks and gratitude in 

 3    return from this nation.

 4                 So with that, I will be in favor of 

 5    this resolution.  And again, I thank my colleague 

 6    Senator Harckham for bringing it forward and for 

 7    all my colleagues' remarks earlier today on this.  

 8                 Thank you.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

10    you, Senator Stec.

11                 Senator Borrello on the resolution.

12                 SENATOR BORRELLO:   Thank you, 

13    Mr. President.  

14                 I too am proud to stand here today 

15    for Vietnam War Remembrance Day.  I want to thank 

16    Senator Harckham, and also I would like to thank 

17    Senator Brooks for his heartfelt remarks from 

18    someone who lived through that era.  

19                 My father, Tony Borrello, was one of 

20    those folks that was drafted to serve in the 

21    Vietnam War, as was his only brother -- his only 

22    sibling -- Frank Borrello.  Both served in 

23    Vietnam.  

24                 It was something that was very 

25    difficult for my grandparents.  My grandmother 


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 1    worried every day.  We didn't have the 

 2    communication then that they have now.  And God 

 3    smiled upon her one day because by chance, in all 

 4    that went on, all the places that people were 

 5    deployed, one day my father and my uncle were in 

 6    the same mess hall together.  They weren't even 

 7    in the same section, but they got to see each 

 8    other, and my grandmother got to hear that they 

 9    knew each other were okay.

10                 But the scars were permanent.  And 

11    again, what they suffered was most because of how 

12    they were treated when they came home.  Many 

13    family friends as well as family members served 

14    in Vietnam.  My father and his brothers and 

15    cousins all got together at the VFW, talked about 

16    it.  It was a difficult time.  Thank God we now 

17    understand the importance of what they've done 

18    and what every veteran has done to secure this 

19    nation's freedom.  

20                 Thank God that people like that, 

21    that were told by their government to go fight in 

22    a war on the other side of the world, did it.  

23    They didn't escape to Canada or whatever else; 

24    they did it.  And quite frankly, like many other 

25    wars, this was a war fought largely by 


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 1    working-class people and people of color.  And 

 2    they did it proudly to serve this nation.

 3                 So to my father, thank you.  And to 

 4    all of you, welcome home.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

 6    you, Senator Borrello.

 7                 Senator Lanza on the resolution.

 8                 SENATOR LANZA:   Thank you, 

 9    Mr. President.  

10                 First, of course, I would like to 

11    thank Senator Harckham for the resolution.  It's 

12    as important a resolution as we will see here on 

13    the floor, in my estimation.

14                 You know, by operation of law, every 

15    year on March 29th in the State of New York it is 

16    Vietnam Veterans Day.  I know that because I was 

17    the author of the law in my first year here in 

18    the Senate.  And we sometimes, as Senators, like 

19    to go around and say, you know, I wrote that law 

20    or this law.  But I didn't write this one.  

21                 In my first year I was approached by 

22    a Staten Islander, a Vietnam veteran, Lester 

23    Modelowitz, who came to me and said:  "Here in 

24    New York, of all the states, which gave so much 

25    in that war, so much blood, so much sacrifice, we 


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 1    need to establish March 29th as Vietnam Veterans 

 2    Day."  And of course, as anyone in this room 

 3    would have said, I responded by saying "We're 

 4    going to do it."

 5                 We wrote the law.  Senator Savino 

 6    was a cosponsor.  Assemblyman Titone in the 

 7    Assembly introduced it there.  We eventually 

 8    passed it on this floor, unanimously -- Democrat 

 9    and Republican -- because it was the right thing 

10    to do.  And the Governor signed it.

11                 You know, a lot of people came to us 

12    and said, Why do we need Vietnam Veterans Day?  

13    We have Veterans Day, we have Memorial Day, why 

14    do we need another one?  People actually came to 

15    us in our offices and asked why we needed to do 

16    it.  And of course everyone in this room knows 

17    why we needed to do it.

18                 And the simple answer was because 

19    something different happened to Vietnam veterans 

20    as they returned home that did not happen to 

21    others in other conflicts in prior wars.  Why do 

22    we need this law?  For me, it's four simple 

23    reasons.  

24                 Let me go back for a minute.  We 

25    were one of the first states in America to do it.  


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 1    The origin of this day occurred back in 1974, the 

 2    year after the last American troops came home.  

 3    President Nixon issued a proclamation saying that 

 4    March 29th ought to be a day of recognition of 

 5    what happened.  But it lasted one year.  

 6                 After we passed the law in this 

 7    state, Senator Savino and I and Vietnam veterans 

 8    lobbied the Obama administration to make it a 

 9    national law.  We weren't able to do it, but 

10    President Obama did take the first step in 2012 

11    and again issue a proclamation honoring 

12    March 29th as Vietnam Veterans Day.  But again, 

13    it was a one-year event.

14                 Finally, in 2017, our efforts 

15    continued, and President Trump in 2017 signed the 

16    law that makes every single year on March 29th 

17    here in America Vietnam Veterans Day.  We were 

18    among the first to do that, here in New York.  

19    I'm proud of that.

20                 So why do we need it?  Four reasons, 

21    as far as I'm concerned.  First, in a way, it's 

22    an act of contrition.  I was raised to believe 

23    that when you make a mistake, you say you're 

24    sorry.  And this is one way for us to say we are 

25    sorry for what happened.  


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 1                 I listened to the pain -- and we all 

 2    did -- in Senator Brooks' words as he described 

 3    his honorable service to this nation.  There 

 4    should be no pain associated with that, only 

 5    honor.  And I applaud you and thank you and 

 6    respect you for what you've done for our country.

 7                 Second, we need to educate each 

 8    other.  I firmly believe that if we don't 

 9    understand our history, if we don't understand 

10    that which we have done, and if we don't embrace 

11    our mistakes, they will be repeated.  Every 

12    generation needs to know what happened so that it 

13    doesn't happen again.

14                 I tell young people all the time, be 

15    careful of adults who don't want you to know your 

16    history, because it's your future that they're 

17    trying to steal.  Today, we teach each other that 

18    this can never happen again.  

19                 Finally, this day allows us to do 

20    that which should have happened then.  What 

21    happened, as many have said here -- and I 

22    associate myself with all the remarks of all of 

23    my colleagues -- was a very shameful chapter in 

24    American history.  And today we get to do what 

25    should have been done then, which is to say:  


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 1    Welcome home, welcome home, welcome home.

 2                 We all have Vietnam veterans in our 

 3    districts.  You all know them.  Some of the most 

 4    courageous, honorable, decent humans you'll ever 

 5    meet.  When you see them, say thank you.  Senator 

 6    Brooks, thank you.  Thank you (to gallery).  

 7                 You know, we cherish the freedom we 

 8    have in America.  I said four reasons, right?  I 

 9    only said three.  I'll go back to the fourth.  

10                 The fourth is -- I'll take any 

11    excuse to say thank you to veterans.  If it's a 

12    law or if it's another day, every day, I'll never 

13    turn down an excuse to say thank you to 

14    veterans -- in particular, Vietnam veterans.  You 

15    mean so much to us today, you meant so much to us 

16    then.  You think about what happened and why it 

17    happened because of some warped people, weak 

18    politicians, Jane Fonda, misguided academic 

19    world -- I don't know what all came together to 

20    contribute to this shameful tragedy, but it did.  

21    And we need to embrace it so we can stand up 

22    against it and make sure it doesn't happen again.

23                 So to you, Vietnam veterans, we 

24    cherish our freedoms here in America.  The 

25    principle is embodied in our founding documents, 


                                                               1731

 1    the Constitution, the Declaration of 

 2    Independence.  We all know they wouldn't be worth 

 3    the paper they're printed on if not for our 

 4    soldiers, our veterans, our Vietnam veterans.  

 5                 So again, I will say:  Thank you.  

 6    Welcome home.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

 8    you, Senator Lanza.

 9                 Senator Hinchey on the resolution.

10                 SENATOR HINCHEY:   Thank you, 

11    Mr. President.

12                 And thank you, Senator Harckham, for 

13    bringing forward this resolution.  

14                 And Senator Brooks, I too want to 

15    say thank you for your honest and heartfelt 

16    words.  

17                 The call to service is something 

18    that you are born with.  And the call to listen 

19    to your country when your country calls you to 

20    service is a duty that no one can ever repay.  

21    I'm here to say thank you for giving us really 

22    the shoulders to stand on, because it is your 

23    service to our country and hearing those calls 

24    that allows many of us to continue to do what we 

25    do here in this room.


                                                               1732

 1                 One Vietnam veteran I'd like to call 

 2    attention to is Colonel Roger Donlon, a 

 3    Saugerties native -- my hometown -- who was 

 4    awarded the first Medal of Honor ever presented 

 5    to a Vietnam veteran, by President Johnson, for 

 6    his heroism during the war.  

 7                 Colonel Donlon was a historic figure 

 8    growing up in Saugerties.  We often spent much of 

 9    our time after school at the Donlon, making -- 

10    and that always instilled in us the importance of 

11    service to our country, for standing up for our 

12    communities and making sure that we never forget 

13    the challenges and the pain that many of our 

14    veterans have experienced, especially those who 

15    did not get the recognition they deserved, our 

16    Vietnam veterans, when they came home from the 

17    war.  

18                 And it's often -- as we've heard in 

19    this room, it's often our Vietnam veterans, 

20    because of the lack of recognition, the lack of 

21    respect, the lack of attention they received, 

22    they're the ones who are the first ones welcoming 

23    other veterans back into our communities.  

24    They're the ones leading the charge for veterans' 

25    flags and recognition, for veterans dinners in 


                                                               1733

 1    our community.  They've never forgotten the 

 2    importance of honoring and recognizing people 

 3    when they come home.

 4                 So I'm here to say thank you for 

 5    your service, thank you for being here with us 

 6    today.  And to all of the veterans across our 

 7    state and those in the 46th District, thank you 

 8    for your service.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

10    you, Senator Hinchey.

11                 Senator Reichlin-Melnick on the 

12    resolution.

13                 SENATOR REICHLIN-MELNICK:   Thank 

14    you very much, Mr. President.

15                 I rise as a proud member of the 

16    Senate's Veterans Committee in support of this 

17    resolution.  

18                 I want to thank Senator Harckham for 

19    introducing it; Senator Brooks, our Vets 

20    Committee chair, for your heartfelt words; and of 

21    course all of the veterans who have joined us 

22    today as we celebrate and recognize and honor 

23    your service on Vietnam War Veterans Day.

24                 You know, over 2.7 million Americans 

25    served in the Vietnam War, and that is more than 


                                                               1734

 1    all those who have served in our wars since.  And 

 2    we need to acknowledge them.  And we need to 

 3    acknowledge not only those who served, we need to 

 4    remember the more than 58,000 who did not come 

 5    home, the 153,000 who were wounded, 75,000 who 

 6    were severely disabled, and those who served with 

 7    incredible bravery, nearly 240 of whom earned the 

 8    Medal of Honor, the nation's highest award.

 9                 And though this day, Vietnam War 

10    Veterans Day, was only officially established a 

11    decade ago, only signed into law five years ago, 

12    we've been recognizing and we've been celebrating 

13    those who served in New York for so many years.  

14                 In my district in Rockland and 

15    Westchester, we honor the service of our veterans 

16    of the Vietnam War and of other wars each year on 

17    Veterans Day, and we honor the service of those 

18    who paid the ultimate price on Memorial Day.  We 

19    support veterans programs like the Joseph P. 

20    Dwyer Vet2Vet program, that provides such 

21    invaluable support to veterans who are dealing 

22    with PTSD and other after-effects of this 

23    horrible conflict.  

24                 The Vietnam War was controversial 

25    when it was being waged.  Many questioned whether 


                                                               1735

 1    the U.S. role in the conflict was appropriate, or 

 2    they questioned the tactics used to try to secure 

 3    victory.  But regardless of the answers to those 

 4    questions, all Americans should be able to come 

 5    together to salute those who served.  Some 

 6    Vietnam vets chose to serve; others were drafted.  

 7    But all who I have ever met served with 

 8    distinction and dedication and bravery, making 

 9    the best of an impossibly dangerous and a 

10    difficult environment.

11                 The Vietnam War changed our history, 

12    making a generation of Americans more skeptical 

13    of foreign interventions and hesitant to project 

14    our power abroad.  But as we watch today as a 

15    murderous tyrant invades and seeks to subjugate a 

16    neighboring country, and we see Ukrainian 

17    soldiers fighting for their homeland with weapons 

18    supplied by the U.S., it is an invaluable 

19    reminder that the U.S. can't retreat from the 

20    world.  We still have a vested interest, as we 

21    did 50 years ago, in standing up to dictators and 

22    to hostile foreign powers.  

23                 And so once again I want to thank 

24    every veteran of the Vietnam era for your 

25    service.  We are eternally grateful, and I 


                                                               1736

 1    proudly support this resolution.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

 3    you, Senator Reichlin-Melnick.

 4                 Senator Kaplan on the resolution.

 5                 SENATOR KAPLAN:   Thank you, 

 6    Mr. President.

 7                 I rise today to say welcome, but 

 8    more importantly to say thank you for the Vietnam 

 9    veterans we have before us here today and 

10    throughout this state.  

11                 To all the brave individuals, your 

12    state and your country never truly repaid you for 

13    your service.  But we can thank you for your 

14    sacrifice, your bravery, and the example you set 

15    for us all.  Your selfless dedication to the 

16    ideals of this great nation continues the course 

17    we as people follow.  

18                 Thank you again to Senator Harckham 

19    for bringing this resolution to the floor today.  

20                 And thank you, Mr. President.  And I 

21    proudly vote aye.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

23    you, Senator Kaplan.

24                 Senator Kennedy on the resolution.

25                 SENATOR KENNEDY:   Thank you, 


                                                               1737

 1    Mr. President.

 2                 I want to take this moment to 

 3    recognize these extraordinary heroes in our 

 4    presence today in this chamber.  I want to start 

 5    by thanking you for your service to this great 

 6    country and to the world.

 7                 I want to recognize my colleague 

 8    Senator Harckham for bringing this to the floor, 

 9    our colleague Senator Brooks, all of my 

10    colleagues on both sides of the aisle who have 

11    spoken so eloquently already.  This is clearly an 

12    emotional day for everybody here in this chamber.  

13                 We are humbled by your presence, and 

14    I think we're humbled by this resolution, 

15    reminding us all of our country, of our history, 

16    of our state, of where we came from, whose 

17    shoulders we stand on, and the price that each 

18    and every one of you paid in giving up your youth 

19    to put on the colors of the United States 

20    military to go to a foreign land and fight a war 

21    that you were asked to fight.  

22                 Some of you enlisted yourselves; 

23    some of you were drafted -- many were drafted.  

24    Millions of people went off to war.  Fifty-eight 

25    thousand never made it home.  Many who did make 


                                                               1738

 1    it home suffered the hidden tolls of war and 

 2    continue to suffer those hidden tolls and were 

 3    met by a government and a people that 

 4    disrespected and dishonored your service to the 

 5    flag.  That is reprehensible.  It should have 

 6    never happened, and it should never happen again.

 7                 So I was born in 1976, three years 

 8    after the last soldier was pulled out of active 

 9    duty in Vietnam.  So when I was coming up and 

10    learning about the world and learning about 

11    veterans and their service to this country, and 

12    learning about the heroes who gave it all so that 

13    we could have debates like this in peace on this 

14    Senate floor and in the halls of the nation's 

15    Capitol and in communities across this great 

16    country, and lead across the globe -- the stories 

17    of Vietnam came to me in waves as I was coming 

18    up, born in the '70s, a child of the '80s, 

19    learning more through the '90s and even today.

20                 It was a few years back that one of 

21    the greatest documentaries I think has ever been 

22    created, by Ken Burns, detailed the story from 

23    start to completion -- before the start of 

24    America's involvement in Vietnam, to completion, 

25    and through to today.  And Ken Burns told of the 


                                                               1739

 1    story in real life and the horrors that you all 

 2    had to face and the difficulties that you all had 

 3    to come home with.  

 4                 And it broke my heart to think about 

 5    the fact that this country and the people of this 

 6    country in so many ways mistreated you and your 

 7    fellow soldiers.  

 8                 So I take upon myself, and I think 

 9    from what you've heard in this chamber here 

10    today, we take it upon ourselves as a government 

11    and as individuals and as leaders throughout this 

12    state to recognize you, particularly those that 

13    served in the Vietnam War.  And know that this 

14    country is grateful for your service.  Know that 

15    my generation recognizes the sacrifices that you 

16    have made and continue to make.  And know that we 

17    recognize and honor those that never made it 

18    home.  

19                 Thank you for your courage, for your 

20    bravery, for your service to this country and to 

21    all of us.  May God bless each and every one of 

22    you.

23                 Thank you, Mr. President.  I vote 

24    aye.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 


                                                               1740

 1    you, Senator Kennedy.

 2                 Senator Mattera on the resolution.

 3                 SENATOR MATTERA:  Thank you.  Thank 

 4    you, Mr. President.  

 5                 First of all, I'd like to commend 

 6    Senator Harckham and our Senator Brooks, because 

 7    I know what kind of heart you have and what 

 8    you've -- you know, what you have done.  

 9                 You know, Vietnam Veterans Day is 

10    just so, so important -- and you know what, I 

11    want to face everybody here -- that you protected 

12    us all from harm's way.

13                 You know, one thing I'm proud of, 

14    that I belong to "Heroes 4 Our Heroes."  Back in 

15    Smithtown we have Donato Panico, and what we do 

16    is we give meals -- we give meals to our veterans 

17    but especially our Vietnam vets, in other words 

18    that need, they need our help.  They were there 

19    for us, and we need to show how grateful we are 

20    for what all has been done.

21                 Me being a labor leader with the 

22    Plumbers Union, we have our Helmets to Hardhats 

23    program, so when our veterans come home, you 

24    know, they have a place if they want to go into 

25    the trades.  We have the red carpet, I am so 


                                                               1741

 1    proud of that, and -- when they come in, and they 

 2    come in and we make sure that we go -- and they 

 3    want to get into the Plumbers Union or any of the 

 4    other trades, with builder trades.  And it's been 

 5    so, so important to me.

 6                 You know when I was growing up, my 

 7    parents -- and I'm very proud of this -- we would 

 8    watch the news, you know, after dinner, and my 

 9    parents made sure that we sat and we watched the 

10    news.  And back when I was younger, you know, I 

11    was like, Wow, we're watching -- and we would 

12    watch the news about Vietnam and all the soldiers 

13    that were over there and doing it.  

14                 And my parents would sit there and 

15    they would educate us to see how important this 

16    was, that in other words our soldiers are over 

17    there fighting for our freedoms.  And, you know, 

18    I was just so proud of that.  And that was almost 

19    every night that we would do that.  And, you 

20    know, it just made me -- made me what I am today 

21    about what it is about our soldiers.

22                 You know, history is so important, 

23    that we teach history in our schools.  And I 

24    think that we need to make sure, as elected 

25    officials, we all make sure that history is being 


                                                               1742

 1    taught in our schools.  And I really, really feel 

 2    that we got away from that in a lot of ways.  And 

 3    one thing as an elected official, I am making 

 4    sure that that is happening, that we speak about 

 5    what happened, and you know what, and that we're 

 6    proud of what happened and we're proud that our 

 7    soldiers protected us.

 8                 You know one thing about everybody 

 9    that's a Vietnam vet, I know what's happening 

10    with Ukraine right now, and I know everybody up 

11    there would go sign up tomorrow morning or today, 

12    right now today, you would sign up to go fight 

13    for our country.  And you know what?  I'd be 

14    right there with you.  And I am so proud to say 

15    that today, because -- I know you're shaking your 

16    head because that is so true.  And that's what 

17    America is about.  And you are Americans.  

18                 And I am saying this today:  Thank 

19    you.  God bless all our Vietnam veterans.  God 

20    bless all that are serving right now.  And 

21    especially God bless the United States of 

22    America.

23                 Thank you so much.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

25    you, Senator Mattera.


                                                               1743

 1                 Senator Ortt on the resolution.

 2                 SENATOR ORTT:   Thank you, 

 3    Mr. President.

 4                 I want to add my voice to thank 

 5    Senator Harckham for bringing forward this 

 6    resolution today.  

 7                 I want to thank my colleague Senator 

 8    Brooks, who I had the privilege to serve 

 9    alongside on the Veterans Committee for a couple 

10    of years there.  Senator Brooks was always a 

11    gentleman.  He always ensured that there was -- 

12    not even bipartisanship, it was nonpartisanship.  

13    It was really about veterans, veterans issues.  

14    It was a great community to be a part of, and I 

15    want to thank him on for his leadership on that.  

16                 But that's not an accident.  It's 

17    because he did wear the uniform.  And he served 

18    at a time when wearing the uniform was a partisan 

19    issue.  And that's really what we're talking 

20    about here today, because that's unique.  And it 

21    should never be, but yet it became that way at a 

22    very dark time in our country's history.  

23                 And it was a dark time across the 

24    board.  There are many things that we can look 

25    back on in that period and we can probably agree 


                                                               1744

 1    that that was not -- that was at the height of 

 2    American history.

 3                 But I want to thank Senator Brooks 

 4    for his service both then and now, and I want to 

 5    thank him for his words.  

 6                 I want to thank our Vietnam veterans 

 7    that are up there today, because you represent so 

 8    many other Vietnam veterans who could not be here 

 9    today.  You represent so many other Vietnam 

10    veterans who actually never came back home, as 

11    well as the ones who came back home -- because 

12    every veteran believes in their bones that the 

13    real heroes were the ones who never made it back, 

14    the ones whose names are inscribed on that black 

15    wall in Washington, D.C.

16                 But it's sort of fitting, maybe, 

17    that we're here today just a few days after we 

18    had West Point Day, where we had cadets from 

19    West Point who were here.  I know all of you I'm 

20    sure were struck by the age of those cadets and 

21    how young they looked.  And maybe it was a 

22    reminder how older we were getting too, but 

23    that's a different story.  

24                 (Laughter.)

25                 SENATOR ORTT:   But you all know how 


                                                               1745

 1    young they were.  And to think that maybe a year 

 2    from today, maybe a few months from today, those 

 3    young men and women could be in combat.  

 4                 And that was the age of these men 

 5    and our Vietnam veterans.  And how we always 

 6    think of -- you know, I always think of World War 

 7    II veterans or Vietnam veterans, and you think of 

 8    them as veterans, right, you think of them as 

 9    older people.  But I can promise you, when they 

10    were getting dropped into hot LZs in Vietnam, 

11    when they were engaging with the Viet Cong or the 

12    North Vietnamese army, they were every bit the 

13    kids that we saw in this chamber last week.  

14                 And we tend to think of the 

15    Vietnam War -- and this is unfortunate, in my 

16    view, but we tend to think of the Vietnam War as 

17    a war that we lost.  And maybe politically that's 

18    true, maybe politically we lost that war.  But 

19    militarily, make no mistake, every single 

20    engagement with the enemy between United States 

21    forces and enemy forces, the North Vietnamese 

22    army, every single engagement, we won.  The men 

23    up there and all the Vietnam veterans across this 

24    country, they won.  They did their job 

25    militarily.  They won all those engagements.  


                                                               1746

 1    They brought honor to the United States and their 

 2    job.  It was -- it was us who brought dishonor 

 3    when they returned.  

 4                 But I want to just sort of close on 

 5    a perspective -- so when I came back home from 

 6    Afghanistan, there was people at the airport.  

 7    There were parades in your hometown.  There were 

 8    all kinds of programs.  You know, you go to the 

 9    Home Depot and there's discount programs, there's 

10    Thank a Vet program at your county clerk's 

11    office.  There's license plates that we authorize 

12    for different conflicts to recognize your 

13    service.  

14                 I was at a Buffalo Sabres game the 

15    other night, and they recognized a veteran in the 

16    crowd -- 18,000 people stood up and applauded 

17    that veteran for his service.  

18                 That's all because of the Vietnam 

19    veterans.  There is no way all those things are 

20    happening today but for this generation, who 

21    decided that they were never going to let that 

22    happen to another generation of American fighting 

23    men and women.  

24                 There's all kinds of programs today.  

25    Think about it -- and all of you have dealt with 


                                                               1747

 1    this.  World War II veterans, when they came 

 2    back, they were just, you know, happy to get back 

 3    alive.  They didn't ask for the medals or this or 

 4    that, they just went back to work.  

 5                 But it's the Vietnam veterans who 

 6    make sure that today, when soldiers return, they 

 7    get the medals they're owed.  They're the ones 

 8    who make sure the VA is a lot better about 

 9    medical services and treating veterans.  They 

10    have collectively made us appreciate the American 

11    men and fighting women, because we didn't 

12    appreciate it when they came back home.  And 

13    they've made sure that that will never happen 

14    again, not on their watch.  

15                 When I go to a funeral of a veteran 

16    from Iraq or Afghanistan, it was always Vietnam 

17    veterans who were out holding the flags on the 

18    roadway.  It was the Vietnam veterans who 

19    escorted that fallen soldier to their final 

20    resting place.  See, they have made a decision, a 

21    conscious decision, that this nation was better 

22    than what we gave them when they came back.  

23                 And I think it's awesome that we are 

24    here today, that you get to be here today to 

25    see -- it took a lot of time.  But we can make -- 


                                                               1748

 1    as a country, as a state, as a community, we can 

 2    make the decision that, you know what, we were 

 3    wrong then.  And I know -- I know people who were 

 4    there at that time who didn't serve, who 

 5    protested, who were part of the dishonor and 

 6    disrespect shown, and they will tell me today:  

 7    You know what?  That was wrong.  That was wrong.  

 8                 I think that speaks also to who we 

 9    are as a country, that we can overcome those dark 

10    moments, that we can -- we can reconcile that and 

11    apologize, and we can make good that which we 

12    screwed up.  

13                 So I want to thank all of you for 

14    being here today.  I want to thank you for never 

15    forgetting that even after you took that uniform 

16    off, you never forgot your oath to this country, 

17    you never forgot your oath to the men and women, 

18    your brothers and sisters in arms, whether they 

19    never came home or they did come home.  

20                 And, you know, it's a unique -- I 

21    also want to -- I should mention the Vietnam 

22    Veterans -- certainly organizations out there -- 

23    Vietnam Veterans Chapter 77 back home in Western 

24    New York, where I represent.  

25                 But it is a unique -- when this 


                                                               1749

 1    generation is gone, it's going to be up to us to 

 2    remind future generations that that happened and 

 3    that it can't happen again, that we recognize and 

 4    honor our veterans not because they're rock 

 5    stars, but because they choose to raise their 

 6    hand and serve their country even at risk of 

 7    their life.  And that should always, regardless 

 8    of how you feel about the political decision to 

 9    go to war, any war, the service and sacrifice 

10    should always be honored and respected.  

11                 So to all of you, I say thank you 

12    for your service, welcome home, and God bless 

13    you.  

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

15    you, Senator Ortt.

16                 Majority Leader Andrea 

17    Stewart-Cousins to close.

18                 SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:   Thank you 

19    so much, Mr. President.  

20                 And I just want to add my voice to 

21    the chorus of voices that (A) thank Senator 

22    Harckham for making sure that this resolution 

23    happened.  

24                 Thank you, Senator Brooks, for being 

25    outstanding as chair of our committee and for the 


                                                               1750

 1    service that you continue to render on behalf of 

 2    veterans throughout this state.  

 3                 And again, thank you to Leader Ortt, 

 4    because you too are a veteran and you spend a lot 

 5    of time talking about others.  And, you know, 

 6    sometimes people don't, you know, put the 

 7    spotlight on themselves, so I get that.  

 8                 And to all who have had the honor 

 9    and the privilege to wear a uniform in service of 

10    this great nation.

11                 As I listened to people talk -- you 

12    know, I get to date myself because I remember the 

13    Vietnam War.  You know, I stand up and I talk 

14    about my dad, who was a World War II veteran, 

15    Purple Heart, Bronze Star, amazing man.  And at 

16    that time he served in a segregated army.  And 

17    when he came home, it wasn't all sunshine for 

18    him.  The GI bills didn't apply to black 

19    soldiers.  And so the benefits that happened for 

20    so many didn't happen for my family and my dad.

21                 But that didn't stop my brother, who 

22    when it came to serve in Vietnam, to don the 

23    uniform of the Marines and go to Vietnam.  And I 

24    remember that he wasn't old enough to vote then, 

25    because the voting age was 21 and Bobby was 18.  


                                                               1751

 1    But he went.  And he thought it was a duty and a 

 2    privilege.  

 3                 And he wasn't the only one that left 

 4    our housing project to go.  A lot of his friends 

 5    didn't come back.  He didn't know why he was 

 6    there, but he knew it was in service of the 

 7    country.  

 8                 And my brother, he said he heard on 

 9    the plane -- he heard God speak to him.  He said:  

10    Do not fear, you will not die here.  And every 

11    day when he went out, he somehow knew he wouldn't 

12    die, although death was all around him.

13                 But he came back.  And unlike what 

14    happened to my dad, who had to go back to his 

15    segregated life with few opportunities, my 

16    brother came back and experienced what you 

17    experienced -- a different kind of segregation.  

18    The kind that said that you were in this 

19    unpopular place doing this unpopular thing, and 

20    therefore you're not worthy.

21                 And it was the camaraderie and the 

22    respect that you had one for another, and for the 

23    valor that you had, that rallied around each 

24    other and built each other up in every way you 

25    could.  


                                                               1752

 1                 And as we matured in our 

 2    understanding that things aren't always this way 

 3    or that way, and as we matured in our 

 4    understanding of our rights and, yes, letting 

 5    18-year-olds vote so that they could have a 

 6    say -- and allowing for the power of your example 

 7    to seep into our collective psyche -- because of 

 8    that we stand here in this chamber, in chambers 

 9    across the nation, on this day to say thank you.  

10                 Thank you for teaching us better.  

11    Thank you for showing us better.  Thank you for 

12    representing all those who did not come back.  

13    Thank you for not allowing their memory to be 

14    lost.  And thank you for making us promise that 

15    that injustice will never happen again.

16                 God bless you for being here and 

17    gracing our chamber.  God bless you for your 

18    service.  And please understand that your example 

19    will never be forgotten.  And if we get it right, 

20    if we get it right, this will never, ever 

21    happen -- but, even better, we will never have to 

22    go to senseless war.  Thank you so very much.

23                 I vote aye.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

25    you, Leader Stewart-Cousins.


                                                               1753

 1                 So our distinguished and honored 

 2    guests, I welcome you on behalf of the Senate.  

 3    We extend to you the privileges and courtesies of 

 4    this house.  Thank you for your perseverance, 

 5    your courage, your bravery, your service then and 

 6    now.

 7                 Please rise and be recognized.

 8                 (Prolonged standing ovation.)

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

10    resolution was previously adopted on March 1st.

11                 Senator Gianaris.

12                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Thank you, 

13    Mr. President.

14                 And thanks once again to our 

15    distinguished guests.

16                 Let's move on now to previously 

17    adopted Resolution 2042, by Senator Kennedy, read 

18    that resolution's title, and recognize 

19    Senator Kennedy.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

21    Secretary will read.

22                 THE SECRETARY:   Senate Resolution 

23    2042, by Senator Kennedy, memorializing Governor 

24    Kathy Hochul to proclaim March 2022 as 

25    Bleeding Disorders Awareness Month in the State 


                                                               1754

 1    of New York.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 3    Kennedy on the resolution.

 4                 SENATOR KENNEDY:   Thank you very 

 5    much, Mr. President.  

 6                 I rise to recognize March 2022 as 

 7    Bleeding Disorders Awareness Month in New York 

 8    State.  

 9                 Bleeding disorders affect hundreds 

10    of thousands of people here in New York -- one in 

11    100 New Yorkers -- and include a variety of 

12    genetic conditions, including hemophilia, Von 

13    Willebrand disease, sickle cell anemia, and 

14    platelet disorders.  

15                 As recently as the 1960s, there was 

16    no treatment for people with bleeding disorders.  

17    Those with serious symptoms such as prolonged 

18    bleeding, debilitating joint and muscle damage 

19    and organ failure, often had a life expectancy of 

20    only 40 years.  

21                 Fast forward to today, and there's 

22    far more hope.  With the right treatment, people 

23    diagnosed with bleeding disorders are leading 

24    full, productive lives.  Part of that is due to 

25    the advances in medicine and research that have 


                                                               1755

 1    profoundly impacted what we know about these 

 2    disorders and how we treat them.

 3                 And the other part is credited to 

 4    early diagnosis, proper care, and ensuring 

 5    patients have access to the medication and 

 6    services that they need to survive.  

 7                 By recognizing March as Bleeding 

 8    Disorders Awareness Month, New York is aligning 

 9    with the observance of National Bleeding 

10    Disorders Awareness Month and fostering public 

11    awareness and understanding of these disorders, 

12    with the hope of educating New Yorkers about the 

13    symptoms and encouraging early detection and 

14    treatment.

15                 The National Hemophilia Foundation 

16    is encouraging our greater community and our 

17    state and other states across the nation to start 

18    the conversation this month.  And that's exactly 

19    what we're doing here today, Mr. President.  I 

20    encourage our colleagues to join me in bringing 

21    attention to these disorders, with the hope that 

22    we can provide resources and start a conversation 

23    that could potentially save lives.

24                 With that, Mr. President, I vote 

25    aye.  Thank you.


                                                               1756

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

 2    you, Senator Kennedy.

 3                 The resolution was previously 

 4    adopted on March 15th.

 5                 Senator Gianaris.

 6                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   And now let's 

 7    take up Resolution 2169, by Senator Mayer, read 

 8    that resolution's title, and recognize 

 9    Senator Mayer.

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

11    Secretary will read.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Senate Resolution 

13    2169, by Senator Mayer, memorializing the death 

14    of Beverly L. Ouderkirk, renowned member of the 

15    New York State Board of Regents, distinguished 

16    citizen, and devoted member of her community.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

18    Mayer on the resolution.

19                 SENATOR MAYER:   Thank you, 

20    Mr. President.  

21                 It's truly my honor to speak on 

22    behalf of this resolution mourning the death of 

23    Beverly Ouderkirk.  Beverly Ouderkirk was a 

24    distinguished member of the Board of Regents.  

25    She had been appointed on April 1, 2015.  She 


                                                               1757

 1    passed away last week at the age of 82.

 2                 Beverly Ouderkirk had an 

 3    extraordinary career -- 50 years in public 

 4    education -- and through it all, an incredible 

 5    commitment to the people not only of her 

 6    community but all the students of New York.  In 

 7    the Regents she proudly represented the 

 8    11 counties comprising the major geographic 

 9    portion of the North Country.  

10                 But I would say, having met with her 

11    and worked with her, that her commitment was to 

12    students everywhere.  It didn't matter whether 

13    you were from Ogdensburg or you were from 

14    Brooklyn; she understood the role of public 

15    education, and she was extraordinarily committed 

16    to it.  

17                 She served as an educator for 

18    17 years, working her way up through several 

19    school districts, ultimately to becoming deputy 

20    superintendent in the Gouverneur Central School 

21    District.  And then she kept going and became 

22    ultimately a BOCES district superintendent at 

23    Genesee Valley in Western New York.

24                 After she accomplished all that over 

25    a period of 17 years, working -- seriously -- 


                                                               1758

 1    every step of the way up the ladder, she retired.  

 2    But she didn't retire.  She then took on 

 3    additional roles as an interim superintendent.  

 4    And she had really a job that I think is pretty 

 5    extraordinary, we never give it credit:  She was 

 6    the shared superintendent of the St. Regis Falls 

 7    and Brushton-Moira Central School Districts, a 

 8    first in New York State.  

 9                 And for those of us in government 

10    and politics, to be a superintendent, a shared 

11    superintendent of two districts, I can't think of 

12    a more challenging thing -- which she did 

13    extraordinarily well.

14                 She also was very active in her 

15    community on top of all this.  She was a member 

16    of the Morristown Village Board, the Morristown 

17    Chamber of Commerce, the Morristown Public 

18    Library Board, the festival planning committee.  

19    She had three very successful adult sons, a 

20    foster mother to a child with disabilities, a 

21    host parent to two AFS foreign exchange students, 

22    a grandmother to six unique grandchildren, one of 

23    whom is hard of hearing.  

24                 She was both individually and 

25    collectively a force for the power of public 


                                                               1759

 1    education.

 2                 I had the distinct honor of working 

 3    with her as she was cochair of the State Aid 

 4    Subcommittee on the Board of Regents.  She came 

 5    to roundtables throughout the state as we tried 

 6    to determine how to address the failure to fully 

 7    fund Foundation Aid prior to the pandemic.  And 

 8    up to the date of her death, she was still 

 9    fighting for public education, for public 

10    students, for equality of opportunity, for seeing 

11    education through the lens of equity, and for 

12    ensuring that New York lived up to its model of a 

13    top place for public education.  

14                 We mourn her death.  We mourn her 

15    passion and her commitment.  And we honor her by 

16    this resolution.  

17                 So I'm very proud that I could bring 

18    this resolution to the floor.  I look forward to 

19    presenting it to her family.  

20                 Thank you, Mr. President.  I proudly 

21    vote aye.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

23    you, Senator Mayer.

24                 The question is on the resolution.  

25    All those in favor signify by saying aye.


                                                               1760

 1                 (Response of "Aye.")

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Opposed, 

 3    nay.

 4                 (No response.)

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 6    resolution is adopted.

 7                 Senator Gianaris.

 8                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   At the request 

 9    of the various sponsors, the resolutions we took 

10    up today are open for cosponsorship.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   These 

12    resolutions are open for cosponsorship.  Should 

13    you choose not to be a cosponsor of the 

14    resolutions, please notify the desk.

15                 Senator Gianaris.

16                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

17    there's a report of the Finance Committee at the 

18    desk.  Please take that up.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

20    Secretary will read.

21                 THE SECRETARY:   Senator Krueger, 

22    from the Committee on Finance, reports the 

23    following bill:  

24                 Senate Print 8002, Senate Budget 

25    Bill, an act making appropriations for the legal 


                                                               1761

 1    requirements of the state debt service.

 2                 The bill reports direct to third 

 3    reading.

 4                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Move to accept 

 5    the report of the Finance Committee.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   All those 

 7    in favor of accepting the report of the Finance 

 8    Committee, signify by saying aye.

 9                 (Response of "Aye.")

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Opposed, 

11    nay.

12                 (No response.)

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

14    report of the Finance Committee is adopted.

15                 Senator Gianaris.

16                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   At this time 

17    let's take up the calendar, Mr. President.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

19    Secretary will read.

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21    248, Senate Print 1826A, by Senator Skoufis, an 

22    act to amend the State Finance Law.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

24    last section.

25                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 


                                                               1762

 1    act shall take effect on the first of January.  

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

 3    roll.

 4                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

 6    the results.

 7                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 9    is passed.

10                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

11    336, Senate Print 5280, by Senator Parker, an act 

12    to amend the Administrative Code of the City of 

13    New York.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

15    last section.

16                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

17    act shall take effect immediately.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

19    roll.

20                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

22    the results.

23                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

25    is passed.


                                                               1763

 1                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2    355, Senate Print 2972, by Senator Harckham, an 

 3    act to amend Chapter 668 of the Laws of 1977.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

 5    last section.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 7    act shall take effect immediately.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

 9    roll.

10                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

12    the results.

13                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

15    is passed.

16                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

17    356, Senate Print 2973, by Senator Harckham, an 

18    act to amend Chapter 606 of the Laws of 2006.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

20    last section.

21                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

22    act shall take effect immediately.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

24    roll.

25                 (The Secretary called the roll.)


                                                               1764

 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

 2    the results.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 5    is passed.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7    409, Senate Print 7501, by Senator Hinchey, an 

 8    act to amend the Public Health Law.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

10    last section.

11                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

12    act shall take effect immediately.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

14    roll.

15                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

17    Borrello to explain his vote.

18                 SENATOR BORRELLO:   Thank you, 

19    Mr. President.

20                 I rise to support this bill today, 

21    largely because I have a somewhat personal 

22    experience with the rabies vaccine issue.  

23                 A few years ago I traveled to a 

24    conference in the country of Panama, and my wife 

25    came along with me.  And as part of the trip we 


                                                               1765

 1    took a tour of the Panama Canal by boat, a very 

 2    small boat.  The boat went up to something called 

 3    Monkey Island, where we could see monkeys moving 

 4    about the trees.  

 5                 However, one of those wild monkeys 

 6    actually jumped onto the boat and started running 

 7    around the boat.  And my wife decided that she 

 8    wanted to try to pet the monkey, which turned out 

 9    to be a really bad idea, because the monkey sunk 

10    her teeth into her hand.  It was a pretty big 

11    wound, bled profusely.  My wife, to her credit, 

12    wanted to continue the tour despite the fact that 

13    she was bleeding profusely.  But we turned the 

14    boat around and went back to the mainland.  

15                 Long story short, we went to a 

16    hospital in the mega-opolis of Panama City.  I 

17    was a little concerned, but I will say the 

18    healthcare in Panama is actually quite good.  

19    They took very good care of my wife.  They 

20    actually called in a plastic surgeon to stitch 

21    her up.  

22                 And I said to the doctor, "Well, 

23    this must happen all the time, right?"  And the 

24    answer was "No, actually I've never seen this 

25    before.  I've never seen anybody get bit by a 


                                                               1766

 1    monkey."  

 2                 (Laughter.)

 3                 SENATOR BORRELLO:   So long story 

 4    short, they did stitch my wife up, gave her some 

 5    antibiotics and really said -- we didn't get an 

 6    opinion on whether or not she should have a 

 7    rabies shot.  

 8                 So on the flight home, we decided it 

 9    would be good for her to actually get the rabies 

10    vaccine.  Because rabies is incurable and deadly.  

11    You will die of a very painful neurological 

12    disorder.  And there's no way to know in any case 

13    if the animal actually has rabies unless they 

14    actually have that animal and can dissect its 

15    brain.  We found all this out as a result of this 

16    situation.

17                 So thank goodness our county health 

18    department was on the ball.  They did a fantastic 

19    job.  But the rabies vaccine is a multiple 

20    injection and very, very expensive.  It doesn't 

21    happen often, as I found out, but it does happen.  

22    And it is serious.  

23                 So I think it's important that 

24    insurance companies do step up and pay for this 

25    vaccine.  I do think it is important that people 


                                                               1767

 1    feel that despite the fact that this might be 

 2    something they're unsure of, it is very important 

 3    that you do, should you ever be exposed to the 

 4    rabies virus.  

 5                 And as my wife found out, it is 

 6    certainly a interesting experience, as she had 

 7    several injections, to add a little bit of insult 

 8    to injury with her monkey bite.

 9                 So I laugh about it now, 

10    Mr. President, because everything was fine and my 

11    wife handled it like the trooper that she is.  

12    But an interesting experience.  

13                 And I want to thank Senator Hinchey, 

14    who I gave video evidence of to prove that I am 

15    not exaggerating my story here.  I did put the 

16    camera down after she got bit, I want to be clear 

17    about that, so I could help my wife.

18                 But Mr. President, I proudly vote 

19    aye.  Thank you.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

21    Borrello to be recorded in the affirmative.

22                 Announce the results.

23                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

25    is passed.


                                                               1768

 1                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2    476, Senate Print 4703A, by Senator Kaplan, an 

 3    act requiring the Commissioner of Taxation and 

 4    Finance to conduct a study on how successful 

 5    property tax grievances have been over the prior 

 6    three years throughout the state.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

 8    last section.

 9                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 5.  This 

10    act shall take effect immediately.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

12    roll.

13                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

15    the results.

16                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

17    Calendar Number 476, voting in the negative:  

18    Senator Akshar.  

19                 Ayes, 62.  Nays, 1.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

21    is passed.

22                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

23    481, Senate Print 7549, by Senator Gaughran, an 

24    act authorizing St. Mark Coptic Church Center to 

25    retroactively apply for a real property tax 


                                                               1769

 1    exemption for certain property.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

 3    last section.

 4                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 5    act shall take effect immediately.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

 7    roll.

 8                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

10    the results.  

11                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

12    Calendar Number 481, those Senators voting in the 

13    negative are Senators Akshar and O'Mara.

14                 Ayes, 61.  Nays, 2.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

16    is passed.

17                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18    554, Senate Print 1025, by Senator Ramos, an act 

19    to amend the Labor Law.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

21    last section.

22                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

23    act shall take effect immediately.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

25    roll.


                                                               1770

 1                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

 3    the results.

 4                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 6    is passed.

 7                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 8    559, Senate Print 7429, by Senator Gounardes, an 

 9    act directing the Commissioner of Labor to 

10    conduct a comprehensive study on immigrant and 

11    refugee participation in adult education.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

13    last section.

14                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

15    act shall take effect immediately.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

17    roll.

18                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

20    the results.

21                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

22    Calendar Number 559, those Senators voting in the 

23    negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Gallivan, 

24    Griffo, Helming, Lanza, Martucci, Oberacker, 

25    O'Mara, Ortt, Rath, Ritchie, Serino and Tedisco.  


                                                               1771

 1    Also Senator Stec.  Also Senator Jordan.  

 2                 Ayes, 47.  Nays, 16.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 4    is passed.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6    617, Senate Print 5025A, by Senator Serrano, an 

 7    act creating a legislative task force on outdoor 

 8    environmental education.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

10    last section.

11                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 5.  This 

12    act shall take effect immediately.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

14    roll.

15                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

17    the results.

18                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

19    Calendar Number 617, voting in the negative:  

20    Senator Akshar.

21                 Ayes, 62.  Nays, 1.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

23    is passed.

24                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

25    reading of today's calendar.


                                                               1772

 1                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Let us take up 

 2    the supplemental calendar now, please.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   There is 

 4    a substitution at the desk.

 5                 The Secretary will read.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   Senator Krueger 

 7    moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

 8    Finance, Assembly Bill Number 9002 and substitute 

 9    it for the identical Senate Bill 8002, Third 

10    Reading Calendar 741.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

12    substitution is so ordered.

13                 The Secretary will read.

14                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15    741, Assembly Bill Number 9002, Assembly Budget 

16    Bill, an act making appropriations for the legal 

17    requirements of the state debt service.

18                 SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Lay it 

20    aside.

21                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

22    reading of today's supplemental calendar.

23                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Let's take up 

24    the controversial calendar, please.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 


                                                               1773

 1    Secretary will ring the bell.

 2                 The Secretary will read.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4    741, Assembly Print Number 9002, Assembly Budget 

 5    Bill, an act making appropriations for the legal 

 6    requirements of the state debt service.  

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 8    O'Mara.

 9                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you, 

10    Mr. President.  If Senator Krueger would yield 

11    for some questions on this bill.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will 

13    Senator Krueger yield for some questions?  

14                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   With pleasure, 

15    Mr. President.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

17    sponsor yields.

18                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you, Senator 

19    Krueger.  

20                 This bill before us deals with the 

21    debt service and the fulfillment of our 

22    obligations to our creditors going forward and 

23    making payments.  

24                 However, it also has new debt in it 

25    that has not been appropriated yet by this 


                                                               1774

 1    Legislature and is assumed to be coming forth in 

 2    subsequent budget bills not before us or even in 

 3    print yet.

 4                 Can you tell us how we have -- you 

 5    have estimated the increasing of the debt -- or 

 6    new debt coming forth of about $9.3 billion?  

 7                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

 8    Mr. President.

 9                 My colleague is correct.  We think 

10    there's potential for up to 9.3 billion in 

11    additional debt.  And we are building into this 

12    bill, because it is the debt service bill and we 

13    want to make sure that we get it done on time so 

14    that we show our creditors that we make good on 

15    what we owe and that there's no lapse.  

16                 And the truth is if we support in 

17    this bill debt that we don't take on, not to 

18    worry.  We won't have to pay it.

19                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

20    Mr. President, if the Senator will continue to 

21    yield.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

23    sponsor yield?  

24                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 


                                                               1775

 1    sponsor yields.

 2                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Can you explain to 

 3    us how the Majority came up with the 9.3 billion 

 4    in projected bonds to be issued in the next 

 5    fiscal year?

 6                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   We've accepted 

 7    the Executive's proposal, which would be 9.3 

 8    billion, pending final negotiations with the two 

 9    houses as to whether that is the ultimate number 

10    or not.

11                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

12    Mr. President, will Senator Krueger continue to 

13    yield?  

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

15    sponsor yield?

16                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Certainly.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

18    sponsor yields.  

19                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator Krueger, 

20    why do we not pass this bill today committing to 

21    our obligations to make the payments on current 

22    debt, and then come back and amend it after the 

23    budget for whatever new money we actually 

24    appropriate in the budget?

25                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   I'm not sure that 


                                                               1776

 1    there's a legal answer that we wouldn't have that 

 2    option.  I think it's just become the model of 

 3    this Legislature every year to pass the debt 

 4    limit bill first, make sure we get that under our 

 5    belts, even if we're not a hundred percent sure 

 6    we're going to be on time with the full budget.  

 7                 And then, again, if we've put 

 8    something in here that we don't ever go to market 

 9    and bond, then we don't owe it and we avoid the 

10    future problem of needing to come back and amend.

11                 But I don't know if there's a legal 

12    reason why we don't do amendments to budget 

13    bills.

14                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

15    Mr. President, if the Senator will continue to 

16    yield.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

18    sponsor yield?

19                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Certainly.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

21    sponsor yields.

22                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Would you agree, 

23    Senator Krueger, that it's certainly not unusual 

24    for this body to come back and do chapter 

25    amendments on bills that have been passed even 


                                                               1777

 1    before bills are signed by the Governor?

 2                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes, we do 

 3    chapter amendments even -- well, even before 

 4    bills are passed {sic} by the Governor?  That I'm 

 5    not sure --

 6                 SENATOR O'MARA:   -- done it last 

 7    year, as a matter of fact.

 8                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   But I'm not sure 

 9    there's that much of a pattern of doing that on 

10    budget bills themselves.

11                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

12    Mr. President, if the sponsor will continue to 

13    yield.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

15    sponsor yield?

16                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Certainly.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

18    sponsor yields.

19                 SENATOR O'MARA:   But you would 

20    agree that chapter amendments on pieces of 

21    legislation other than budget bills is common 

22    practice?

23                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Absolutely.  We 

24    make mistakes, things change all the time.  And 

25    the great thing about democracy is that there is 


                                                               1778

 1    an ability to come back to the floor of both 

 2    houses, come to new agreements, and have new 

 3    bills passed and signed.

 4                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

 5    Mr. President, if Senator Krueger will continue 

 6    to yield.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 8    sponsor yield?

 9                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Absolutely.  

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

11    sponsor yields.

12                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Last year, 

13    Senator Krueger, the state made some significant 

14    prepayments on bonding -- on bonds that were 

15    outstanding.  What in this debt service bill this 

16    year is there in regards to any prepayments of 

17    bonds that are outstanding?

18                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   (Reading.)  The 

19    financial plan increases prepayments of debt by 

20    1.5 billion in fiscal year '22, to a total of 

21    2.9 billion.  These payments will reduce debt 

22    service costs in fiscal years 2026 and later.  

23    Five hundred million reduced service costs in 

24    '26, one billion reduced service costs in '27.

25                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 


                                                               1779

 1    Mr. President, if the sponsor will continue to 

 2    yield.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Does the 

 4    sponsor yield?

 5                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 7    sponsor yields.

 8                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator Krueger, 

 9    this debt service bill that is anticipating 

10    9.3 billion in new bonding, bond issuance, what 

11    does this -- at that level of 9.3 billion, what 

12    will that increase our outstanding state debt to?

13                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   So our 

14    outstanding debt currently is 62.9 billion.  And 

15    the 9.1 -- or three billion, sorry, would bring 

16    us up to 69.3 billion.

17                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

18    Mr. President, if Senator Krueger will continue 

19    to yield.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

21    sponsor yield?

22                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

24    sponsor yields.

25                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator Krueger, 


                                                               1780

 1    that -- those figures account for about a 

 2    6.4 billion increase in the debt to New Yorkers.  

 3    That's in excess of a 10 percent increase in 

 4    debt.  How can this Majority -- how does it feel 

 5    appropriate to be increasing our debt by 

 6    10 percent at this time, particularly in light of 

 7    the fact that we have billions and billions of 

 8    dollars of federal COVID relief funds and 

 9    billions and billions of dollars of surplus 

10    revenues that have come into the state coffers 

11    throughout this fiscal year.

12                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

13    Mr. President, I think some of this is an 

14    ideological discussion, and that's healthy.  

15                 I think that the Governor and my 

16    colleagues on the Democratic side believe that 

17    there is a reason for debt.  When you need to 

18    invest in long-term-infrastructure capital costs, 

19    you go to the bond market and you borrow.  But 

20    you pay it back, which is really the underlying 

21    theme of this bill, the guarantee that we will 

22    continue to make our debt payments.

23                 The good news is we have been 

24    continuing to make our debt payments, good years 

25    and bad years, and we have a bond market that, 


                                                               1781

 1    quote, unquote, rewards us with pretty high 

 2    grades, allowing us to borrow at fairly low 

 3    levels compared to most other places in this 

 4    country, because they recognize that we don't 

 5    borrow beyond our means, we are able to repay it.  

 6                 And the truth is that the future of 

 7    our state is far more dependent on whether we've 

 8    got the infrastructure in place, the capital 

 9    undergirding, so to speak, of our economy, to 

10    make sure that we can continue and move forward.

11                 So perhaps we would all love to be 

12    able to never be in debt, but I actually think 

13    that's very uncommon for anyone either as 

14    individuals, and it's certainly unheard-of in 

15    government.

16                 And in the realm of the amount of 

17    debt we're talking on and our ability to repay it 

18    and the interest rates we are able to borrow 

19    money at, I'm very, very confident that New York 

20    State can in fact absorb this debt, continue to 

21    make its payments and, most importantly, purchase 

22    the capital and infrastructure items that we need 

23    to, to continue to be the great State of 

24    New York.

25                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you, 


                                                               1782

 1    Senator.

 2                 Mr. President, through you, if 

 3    Senator Krueger will continue to yield.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 5    sponsor yield?

 6                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Certainly.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 8    sponsor yields.

 9                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator Krueger, 

10    of the -- assuming this bill is going to pass, 

11    which I'm sure it's going to, the amount of 

12    outstanding debt and bonds owed by the State of 

13    New York will be approximately 69.3 billion.  How 

14    much of that 69.3 billion has actually been 

15    approved by the voters?  I mean to the voters of 

16    New York State with a bond resolution on the 

17    ballot.

18                 (Pause.)

19                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   So outstanding, 

20    of our obligated debt, $2.2 billion was through 

21    bonds that went to the voters for a vote.  I 

22    don't know which bonds at this moment.

23                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

24    Mr. President, if the sponsor will continue to 

25    yield.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 2    sponsor yield? 

 3                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 5    sponsor yields.

 6                 SENATOR O'MARA:   So by my 

 7    calculation, that's somewhere around 2 percent of 

 8    all outstanding debt owed by New York State.  

 9    Only 2 percent of that has actually been approved 

10    by the voters of New York State.

11                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   As individual 

12    bond acts that went to the voters.  Yes, I think 

13    we agree with you.

14                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

15    Mr. President, if Senator Krueger will continue 

16    to yield.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

18    sponsor yield?

19                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

21    sponsor yields.

22                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator Krueger, 

23    of the anticipated $9.3 billion we mentioned, 

24    which is anticipated new debt being approved to 

25    be paid in this bill, of which will be 


                                                               1784

 1    appropriated in forthcoming budget bills, how 

 2    much of that is anticipated to be approved by the 

 3    voters of New York State?  

 4                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Between 4 and 

 5    6 billion.  

 6                 We have a Green Bond Act for 

 7    4 billion in the Governor's budget, which the 

 8    Senate has proposed become a $6 billion bond act.  

 9    I believe that's the only bond act going before 

10    the public planned in this budget.

11                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Okay, thank you, 

12    Senator Krueger.

13                 Through you, Mr. President, if 

14    Senator Krueger would continue to yield.

15                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

16    sponsor yield?

17                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

19    sponsor yields.

20                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator, of this 

21    9.3 billion of new debt to be incurred -- other 

22    than the environmental bond act, whether that's 

23    4 to 6 billion where that ends up -- how much of 

24    this new debt is going to pay our debt to the 

25    federal government on the Unemployment Insurance 


                                                               1785

 1    Fund?

 2                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   That doesn't go 

 3    through the state General Fund, so that wouldn't 

 4    be included in this.  The Unemployment Fund is a 

 5    separate fund.  It is not General Fund money and 

 6    does not go through the budget the way we talk 

 7    about other funds.

 8                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you.  

 9                 Through you, Mr. President, if 

10    Senator Krueger would yield.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

12    sponsor yield?

13                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

15    sponsor yields.

16                 SENATOR O'MARA:   So then the total 

17    anticipated debt of the state of 69.3 billion 

18    does not include the 9-plus billion we owe the 

19    federal government for unemployment insurance.

20                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   That's correct.

21                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Through you, 

22    Mr. President, if the sponsor will continue to 

23    yield.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

25    sponsor yield?


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 1                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 3    sponsor yields.

 4                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Senator Krueger, 

 5    can you explain to us how that in excess of 

 6    $9 billion in unemployment insurance debt owed to 

 7    the federal government, how New York will pay for 

 8    that or how they're obligated to pay for that?  

 9                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

10    Mr. President.  It's a repayment to the federal 

11    government on a loan on our unemployment, because 

12    in bad economic times when we draw down more in 

13    unemployment we sometimes find ourselves maxing 

14    out the funds that are in that account.  

15                 And happily, the federal government 

16    has set up a system where you can, any state, go 

17    to the federal government and take a loan to make 

18    sure that you can make good on your unemployment 

19    benefit payments.  

20                 Then in good times you're expected 

21    to be able to repay those loans over time.  And 

22    this is a system that has been set up for decades 

23    and decades and decades and is really an 

24    arrangement between employers and employees where 

25    the state is basically a centralized middleman, 


                                                               1787

 1    so to speak, in the process.  But it's actually 

 2    not state funds, and it's the federal government 

 3    loaning to our unemployment fund with the 

 4    expectation that businesses will repay.

 5                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you.  

 6                 Through you, Mr. President, if the 

 7    Senator would continue to yield.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 9    sponsor yield?

10                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes, I will.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

12    sponsor yields.

13                 SENATOR O'MARA:   So it's the 

14    position of this Majority that the 9-plus billion 

15    owed to the federal government for unemployment 

16    insurance will be paid back on the backs of 

17    businesses who employ workers in New York State 

18    via increased workers' compensation rates?

19                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   I don't think 

20    it's the position of this conference.  It's 

21    federal law and state law that has been in effect 

22    for -- since the -- for decades, if not soon 

23    after the Great Depression of the '30s, I 

24    believe.  I don't know exactly when unemployment 

25    started.  


                                                               1788

 1                 But it is a -- literally an 

 2    arrangement set up in federal law, and all states 

 3    follow the federal law.  And all states find 

 4    themselves in some variation on this storyline 

 5    depending on whether we're coming out of a bad 

 6    economic period or a better economic period.

 7                 And thank goodness we have this 

 8    program so that in tougher times, as everyone 

 9    knows our economy goes through, we have an 

10    ability to make sure that workers are left with 

11    not nothing, but some reasonable benefit rate to 

12    help tide them over until they can find 

13    employment again.

14                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you.

15                 Through you, Mr. President, if the 

16    sponsor will continue to yield.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

18    sponsor yield?

19                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Yes, certainly.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

21    sponsor yields.

22                 SENATOR O'MARA:   I'm aware, 

23    Senator Krueger, and you may be as well -- it's 

24    certainly been reported that many states are 

25    utilizing their federal COVID relief funds to pay 


                                                               1789

 1    down their unemployment insurance debts that were 

 2    brought about because of the COVID pandemic.  

 3                 Is there anything -- well, there's 

 4    nothing in this debt service bill to do that.  

 5    But is there anything anticipated in the budget 

 6    bills to be coming forward that's going to 

 7    utilize any of the COVID relief funds or our 

 8    surplus funds to help New York State businesses 

 9    by paying down this Unemployment Insurance Fund?

10                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   So, 

11    Mr. President, my understanding is that that is 

12    still an open discussion in three-way 

13    negotiations continuing to take place.

14                 But even if we're not, I just want 

15    to remind everyone, there's not a deadline on 

16    when we have to pay back the federal government.  

17    And that this is the model that the program is 

18    set up to deal with.  So I don't think anybody 

19    should get too nervous about the problem of our 

20    having outstanding debt in repaying the federal 

21    government from UIB.

22                 SENATOR O'MARA:   Thank you, 

23    Senator Krueger.

24                 And Mr. President, on the bill for a 

25    moment, please.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 2    O'Mara on the bill.

 3                 SENATOR O'MARA:   You know, I'm 

 4    concerned with the process here and the timing of 

 5    this bill.  And certainly we want to ensure to 

 6    our creditors that we're going to pay on our 

 7    obligations of the bonds that are outstanding.

 8                 That's not necessarily due until 

 9    midnight this Thursday, a couple of days away.  

10    And perhaps by then, more of the budget could 

11    have been agreed to or maybe actually be put in 

12    print for us to look at and be considering what's 

13    going to be forthcoming on the spending, 

14    particularly the new part of this spending, a 

15    10.2 percent increase in the amount of debt 

16    that's going to owed by New Yorkers that we 

17    should know at the time we're voting on this bill 

18    what that specific amount is going to be, what 

19    it's going to be for, in determining -- and then 

20    have a bill that includes all of that and not a 

21    big piece of guesswork on what may or may not be 

22    in the budget forthcoming.

23                 Certainly I'm encouraged that of the 

24    9.3 billion in proposed increase debt, 4 to 

25    6 billion of that will go to the ballot for voter 


                                                               1791

 1    approval.  It's a far greater percentage of debt 

 2    than is currently approved by the voters of 

 3    New York, of only 2 percent of our outstanding 

 4    debt.

 5                 So I believe at this point, at this 

 6    stage of our budget process, we should not be 

 7    bringing this bill up at this point.  And that at 

 8    a minimum, the bill should not include 

 9    anticipated new debt that hasn't even been put on 

10    budget bills yet, and that that could easily be 

11    added through a chapter amendment after we pass 

12    the budget.

13                 So for that reason, I'll be voting 

14    no on this bill and I encourage other members to 

15    join me in that.

16                 Thank you.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

18    you, Senator O'Mara.

19                 Are there any other Senators wishing 

20    to be heard?

21                 Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

22    closed.  The Secretary will ring the bell.

23                 Read the last section.

24                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

25    act shall take effect immediately.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

 2    roll.

 3                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 5    Akshar to explain his vote.

 6                 SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

 7    thank you.

 8                 Today really we start what can be 

 9    described as a long and arduous process of 

10    passing an on-time budget.

11                 And for me, I arrived here in 2016.  

12    The budget that that particular year was adopted 

13    was $148 billion.  If you look this year, in 

14    2022, as proposed by the Governor it's 

15    $216 billion.  That's an increase in the last six 

16    years of $68 billion.  The last two years alone, 

17    this budget has increased by a staggering 

18    23 percent.

19                 I would ask all of us in this house, 

20    have you met a constituent in your district whose 

21    income has grown by 28 percent, their household 

22    income?  Certainly not in mine.  New Yorkers 

23    continue to struggle.

24                 And I align myself with something 

25    Senator O'Mara said.  I in fact believe that we 


                                                               1793

 1    should pay our debt.  We owe people money, we 

 2    in fact should pay them.  But the reality is in 

 3    this particular debt service bill there is an 

 4    additional $9.3 billion in projected spending, 

 5    and frankly we have no idea what that money is 

 6    going to be spent on.

 7                 Now, I'm sure there will be some 

 8    debate about do we have a surplus, do we not have 

 9    a surplus.  If there is one, have we already 

10    spent it, as proposed by the Executive.

11                 The reality is is that the state's 

12    receipts are $22 billion over the enacted 

13    projections.  So rather than bond for an 

14    additional $9.3 billion, it is my suggestion that 

15    we use some of that surplus money rather than 

16    continuing to borrow.

17                 I agree wholeheartedly with the 

18    sponsor, with something that she said.  She 

19    said -- she referred to the state, the great 

20    State of New York.  I agree, it is in fact a 

21    great state.  I'm proud to live here, I'm proud 

22    to represent the people back in Senate 

23    District 52.  

24                 But the reality is is that many 

25    New Yorkers, not only in my Senate district but 


                                                               1794

 1    throughout this great State of New York, are 

 2    quickly referring to the State of New York as the 

 3    "unaffordable State of New York."  And reckless 

 4    borrowing like that is contributing to that.  

 5                 Mr. President, I vote no.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 7    Akshar to be recorded in the negative.

 8                 Senator Krueger to explain her vote.

 9                 SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

10    Mr. President.

11                 You know, we were having a nice 

12    discussion, and I think it's really about 

13    legitimate concerns about what order we do our 

14    budget bills in.  And I would agree, it would be 

15    better if we knew all the answers and had all the 

16    bills ready to go on one day.  But we don't.  And 

17    I also have lived through many years here where 

18    we've been here as late as August still trying to 

19    get budgets done.

20                 So I've learned to live with the 

21    doable, not the impossible.  And what I do know 

22    about this bill, this is the bill that assures 

23    people who we have borrowed money from that we 

24    are going to pay our bills.  And I frankly don't 

25    understand anyone who does vote no against this, 


                                                               1795

 1    because that means you have to go home and tell 

 2    people, I voted for us not to pay our debts.  

 3                 So you can agree or disagree that 

 4    the State of New York spends too much money, not 

 5    enough money, has borrowed too much, hasn't 

 6    borrowed enough, that no one listens to you.  But 

 7    at the end of the day, do we really want to go 

 8    home and say, We borrowed money but now we've 

 9    decided to vote down the legislation that 

10    guarantees that the State of New York continues 

11    to make good on the promises we have made?  

12                 Because when we're not paying our 

13    bondholders, that really means we're not paying 

14    our own constituents, who actually are the 

15    bondholders.  So I truly don't understand, even 

16    if we want to disagree on every dollar that's in 

17    the budget coming up, how we would vote against 

18    our obligation to make the payments on the money 

19    we have already borrowed and spent.

20                 So please, everyone, think about 

21    that when you make your vote.  I certainly 

22    urge a yes vote.

23                 Thank you, Mr. President.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

25    Krueger to be recorded in the affirmative.


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 1                 Senator Lanza to explain his vote.

 2                 SENATOR LANZA:   Mr. President, to 

 3    explain my vote.

 4                 I'm going to help people understand 

 5    what's happening here.  It's one thing to vote on 

 6    a debt bill to satisfy past debt obligations.  

 7    It's another thing to vote on a debt -- so-called 

 8    debt bill that incurs new debt and puts that on 

 9    the backs of the taxpayers of the State of 

10    New York.  

11                 And that would be bad enough, to 

12    say, Well, now given the times that we are seeing 

13    here and the difficulties that our 

14    constituents are facing, that we're going to take 

15    on new debt for new spending when we haven't paid 

16    off our old debt.  But this even goes one step 

17    further in a ridiculous fashion.  We're saying 

18    we're going to borrow -- we're going to make the 

19    taxpayers of the State of New York borrow between 

20    4 and 9 billion dollars in additional borrowing, 

21    and we don't even know what it's going to spent 

22    on.  And they don't even know what it's going to 

23    be spent on.

24                 And, Mr. President, in good 

25    conscience I can't vote in favor of legislation 


                                                               1797

 1    that creates between 4 and 9 billion dollars of 

 2    new debt that the taxpayers will have to shoulder 

 3    over the next 10, 20, 30 years, when we don't 

 4    even know what it's going to be spent on.  That 

 5    would be irresponsible, as far as I'm concerned, 

 6    and that's why I'll be voting in the negative.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 8    Lanza to be recorded in the negative.

 9                 Senator Stec to explain his vote.

10                 SENATOR STEC:   Thank you, 

11    Mr. President, to explain my vote.  

12                 I'd like to go one step farther than 

13    my colleague and say in addition to having up to 

14    $9 billion that hasn't been identified yet being 

15    taken on and authorized as new debt here, and the 

16    wisdom on that, but certainly the lack of 

17    transparency of what exactly that money is going 

18    to be borrowed for -- that is supposed to be 

19    approved by the voters of the State of New York.  

20                 And on debate today we asked, out of 

21    the $69 billion, less than 10 percent of that has 

22    been or will be actually voter-approved.  The 

23    Constitution requires that debt taken on by the 

24    State of New York be voter-approved, and almost 

25    none of it is in this budget.  


                                                               1798

 1                 For that reason and other reasons, 

 2    I'll be voting against this bill.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

 4    Stec to be recorded in the negative.

 5                 Announce the results.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 7    Calendar 741, those Senators voting in the 

 8    negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Boyle, 

 9    Gallivan, Griffo, Helming, Jordan, Lanza, 

10    Martucci, Mattera, Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, 

11    Palumbo, Rath, Ritchie, Serino, Stec, Tedisco and 

12    Weik.

13                 Ayes, 43.  Nays, 20.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

15    is passed.

16                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

17    reading of the controversial calendar.

18                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Is there any 

19    further business at the desk?

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   There is 

21    no further business at the desk.

22                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Move to adjourn 

23    until tomorrow, Wednesday, March 30th, at 

24    3:00 p.m.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   On 


                                                               1799

 1    motion, the Senate stands adjourned until 

 2    Wednesday, March 30th, at 3:00 p.m.

 3                 (Whereupon, the Senate adjourned at 

 4    5:12 p.m.)

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